Why have modern fighters not evolved to be better than SRR

[them_apples]

I didn't say it had to be exactly 200 fights.

There's a median between 200 fights and fighting maybe once a year, you know?

Duran & Chavez are ATGs who fought about 100 times in their career.

It's not 200, but it's not the 20 or 30 most modern fighters might get to with all their multiple fight years coming early in their careers before they became champion

We'll never get back to guys fighting 200 times, but we can get to a place where guys fight about 3x per year over say 20 years, which would get them to 60.

It appears like Canelo's going to be the only high-profile fighter in this generation to get anywhere near 60 fights & that's a shame

Bundana already knows this, but not only did they fight more, they did it in a lesser amount of time.

[QueensburyRules]

meaningless? totally not meaningless. Try fighting only 2 times a year on the high levels, the psychological buildup is immense, many fighters have already lost before they step into the ring. Stepping into the ring sharpens the mind. sparring is not the same, you work on things in sparring, gloves are bigger, you get headgear - you can try things and make mistakes - and most of all - no massive crowd and cameras everywhere.

And while most tune ups were against over matched opponents, they frequently would take on a veteran if they needed a stiffer test to stay relevant. Not all of them were bum fights, once again you jump to one extreme to the next. the fact is you were fighting all the time. I would "think" this would really harden someone.

Another reason for lack of fights is the loss of smaller clubs that would house events every week. Boxing just isn't as popular anymore, proportionately.

- - We had the DAZN promo of Rahman Jr beat up by Greg Hardy at our elegant Moody Center used for classical concerts and the like.

We'll see soon enough how well our thug culture predominate youth left the bathrooms and theater if there is ever to be an encore. Jake Paul was there laughing as usual.

[Bundana]

whenever Bundana responds, he re-words what he's responding to to make it sound so far fetched.

I don't think anyone thinks genetically men were tougher back in the day, I mean maybe some people were but that rule should still apply today. Men were tougher because their circumstances were tougher, and people belief systems were different.

I make a pretty simple point that boxers were "tougher back in the day" on the sole stance that times were harder, the game was different and that has changed. Most of my points are about what has changed. Nothing is magical or even genetic. I believe there's a skinny fat 6 ft 8 er that was around in the 1930's that never took up boxing, but would have been good at it had they.

I'm not sure, what you mean by this?

For the umpteenh time: There's no proof of any correlation between "tougher times" and harder fights. In your never-ending quest to put down modern boxing, I can understand, why you would say this - but just because you wish it to be so, doesn't mean it is!

Have you ever studied boxing records from back in the "Golden Age"? If you have... haven't you wondered, why there are so many fights, where the boxers refuse to engage, resulting in both men being booted by the referee? Doesn't really sound like tough boxers, molded by hard times, willing to give their all. It sounds more like men, who tried to get through their fights with as little effort as possible. And as I'm sure you must have noticed - there were hundreds and hundreds of fights like that during the ND era!


Another thing: What about today's boxers who grew up in Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, Central- and South America... many of whom could very possibly have experienced hard times, comparable to the Americans during the depression years? Is there any evidence to suggest, that these modern boxers are softer and less courageous than the oldtimers?

[Bundana]

meaningless? totally not meaningless. Try fighting only 2 times a year on the high levels, the psychological buildup is immense, many fighters have already lost before they step into the ring. Stepping into the ring sharpens the mind. sparring is not the same, you work on things in sparring, gloves are bigger, you get headgear - you can try things and make mistakes - and most of all - no massive crowd and cameras everywhere.

And while most tune ups were against over matched opponents, they frequently would take on a veteran if they needed a stiffer test to stay relevant. Not all of them were bum fights, once again you jump to one extreme to the next. the fact is you were fighting all the time. I would "think" this would really harden someone.

Another reason for lack of fights is the loss of smaller clubs that would house events every week. Boxing just isn't as popular anymore, proportionately.

So many top boxers, who fight only twice a year, have already lost before they step into the ring - because they suffer from stage fright? Ok, I have to admit... that's pretty funny!

[Legends456]

whenever Bundana responds, he re-words what he's responding to to make it sound so far fetched.

I don't think anyone thinks genetically men were tougher back in the day, I mean maybe some people were but that rule should still apply today. Men were tougher because their circumstances were tougher, and people belief systems were different.

I make a pretty simple point that boxers were "tougher back in the day" on the sole stance that times were harder, the game was different and that has changed. Most of my points are about what has changed. Nothing is magical or even genetic. I believe there's a skinny fat 6 ft 8 er that was around in the 1930's that never took up boxing, but would have been good at it had they.

I would disagree. I think that the old timers were genetically tougher as well. Scientific research has shown that men’s testosterone levels are plummeting with each new generation, not to mention that average penile length and ***** count are dropping as well. Men are becoming weaker and more androgynous, particularly in the Western World.

[QueensburyRules]

I would disagree. I think that the old timers were genetically tougher as well. Scientific research has shown that men’s testosterone levels are plummeting with each new generation, not to mention that average penile length and ***** count are dropping as well. Men are becoming weaker and more androgynous, particularly in the Western World.

- - Overall Testa levels by generations have near next nothing to do with genetics and overwhelmingly due to environmental changes, ie crowding into cities, widespread use of plastics and artificial food ingredients, junk food, and more inside office or employment where little physical labor is involved and a myriad of uncounted little changes of the modern world.

My long time, 82 year old former strongman neighbor who used to give exhibitions at the local auditorium passed last month. I inherited his 2000 lbs of dumb/barbells and free weights, and physically moving them from his carport to mine, getting them organized, and building memorial tribute rack with shelves for the dumbbells and extensions for the barbells resulted in a magnificent testa spike. That has carried over since I started doing some minor lifting after a long time off because of a double bum right leg no longer supports my lifetime training model.

In short, I can no longer catch a fleeing mugger, but if I manage to get my grubbies on him, well, you do the math...

[Bundana]

I would disagree. I think that the old timers were genetically tougher as well. Scientific research has shown that men's testosterone levels are plummeting with each new generation, not to mention that average penile length and ***** count are dropping as well. Men are becoming weaker and more androgynous, particularly in the Western World.

LOL - this thread is getting funnier and funnier!

[billeau2]

meaningless? totally not meaningless. Try fighting only 2 times a year on the high levels, the psychological buildup is immense, many fighters have already lost before they step into the ring. Stepping into the ring sharpens the mind. sparring is not the same, you work on things in sparring, gloves are bigger, you get headgear - you can try things and make mistakes - and most of all - no massive crowd and cameras everywhere.

And while most tune ups were against over matched opponents, they frequently would take on a veteran if they needed a stiffer test to stay relevant. Not all of them were bum fights, once again you jump to one extreme to the next. the fact is you were fighting all the time. I would "think" this would really harden someone.

Another reason for lack of fights is the loss of smaller clubs that would house events every week. Boxing just isn't as popular anymore, proportionately.

The relationship between sparring and all combative activities is an interesting one. You make a great observation. Sparring is integral but can be really over emphasized at times. A corollary has to do with a bout where you are being judged, versus a bout where winning a decision is just another possibility as compared to stopping the other guy. As fights get shorter, in rounds, fighting is taking on more amateur characteristics. If we are fighting more or less, til one of us drops, a lot changes from fighting 15 rounds... and by the time we get these women fighting two minute rounds... Things do change.

[billeau2]

I would disagree. I think that the old timers were genetically tougher as well. Scientific research has shown that men’s testosterone levels are plummeting with each new generation, not to mention that average penile length and ***** count are dropping as well. Men are becoming weaker and more androgynous, particularly in the Western World.

Hormones are very much "Nature," versus "Nurture." Queenie says it better than I. If I was to argue for tougher men of old, I would argue using the recreation activities of men like Tunney: Jumping off gigantic boats running from crew, diving into the Hudson and swimming back to shore... That was b a d a ss... Growing up near where Tunney did we would grab and hold onto the back of buses driving down the avenue and we thought we were bad a s s!

[Willow The Wisp]

I would disagree. I think that the old timers were genetically tougher as well. Scientific research has shown that men’s testosterone levels are plummeting with each new generation, not to mention that average penile length and ***** count are dropping as well. Men are becoming weaker and more androgynous, particularly in the Western World.

Actually, the Chinese government has acknowledged this in their part of the world too, and have begun taking steps aimed a correcting the problem.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1258939

https://time.com/6096701/china-masculinity-gender/