Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[SuzieQ49]

heckler,

go watch the late 1950s sonny liston

[Heckler]

heckler,

go watch the late 1950s sonny liston

I have done this, however his style and traits in the ring are the same.

[butterfly1964]

Sorry from what ive seen Liston wasn't spectacular at cutting off the ring. Irrespective of when he fought Ali his traits remained. Watch Him fight Ali in 64', he didn't step infront of Ali and block his escape route he merely followed him. Liston would not wear him down over 15 rounds, he didn't apply the PRESSURE that Frazier did. He didn't use sustained body attacks nor did he have the relentless work rate that was required to neutralise Ali. Ali's worse enemy was pressure and a fighter that essentially smothered him. Liston would follow Ali around the ring popping out that long jab, which would bother Ali, but irrespective Ali's handspeed would allow him to beat Liston to the punch and essentially overwhelm him. Look at the fighters that beat Ali (When he still ahd something left in the tank), Norton (twice), and frazier. Frazier applied relentless pressure, had an incredibly high workrate. Norton had a crabstyle defense that bothered Ali, a brilliant workrate (he outhustled Ali) and he applied constant pressure. Any offensive orthodox boxer that did not have an exceptional workrate, apply relentless pressure, or could match handspeed with Ali didn't matchup well to him at all.

he cut off the ring better than joe freaking louis.

[SuzieQ49]

I have done this, however his style and traits in the ring are the same.

go watch the wayne bethea fight 1958, liston is 204lb but a lot faster.

[Heckler]

he cut off the ring better than joe freaking louis.

To be blunt, i disagree.

[butterfly1964]

To be blunt, i disagree.

liston plods a little less than louis, plus his punches tell quite a bit more.

[SuzieQ49]

butterfly, ur mistaken. watch louis in the mid-late 1930s, he moves quite fast. louis cut off the ring extremely well then. liston was slower than joe, and plodded a lot more. louis also had MUCH faster handspeed than sonny liston.


also liston was an all time puncher, but joe louis was the greatest puncher of all time, better than liston!

[butterfly1964]

butterfly, ur mistaken. watch louis in the mid-late 1930s, he moves quite fast. louis cut off the ring extremely well then. liston was slower than joe, and plodded a lot more. louis also had MUCH faster handspeed than sonny liston.


also liston was an all time puncher, but joe louis was the greatest puncher of all time, better than liston!

louis doesn't punch half as hard as liston. lsiton's power rivals that of foreman, shavers, and tyson.

[butterfly1964]

i just thought this video was funny!

[BKM-]

What the hell is that about.