was dempsey a bum?

[travestyny]

Wrong! I will give you one more chance. Then you are going on ignore. Why is your every single post taking a 100% diametric viewpoint to very well known history?

I'm giving you the chances, son. You are the one who keeps ducking my questions remember.

Now I will answer your question.

Here is the well known history.


Dempsey broke a contract that was valid and followed by the promoters.


Do you have any proof of this being false. Yes or no?

[QueensburyRules]

I'm giving you the chances, son. You are the one who keeps ducking my questions remember.

Now I will answer your question.

Here is the well known history.


Dempsey broke a contract that was valid and followed by the promoters.


Do you have any proof of this being false. Yes or no?

- -The only proof we have is U obsessions with resurrecting dead horses to beat.

Remember when U put me on ignore on U Dempsey thread and then begged me to come back?

Proof U have not a nanogram of honor in U sissified carcass.

[travestyny]

- -The only proof we have is U obsessions with resurrecting dead horses to beat.

Remember when U put me on ignore on U Dempsey thread and then begged me to come back?

Proof U have not a nanogram of honor in U sissified carcass.

Now now. I don't beat that dead horse.

I'm not the one that goes around all the time claiming Dempsey didn't duck Wills....when all of yall know by now that he damn well did. I just make sure to correct the record. Can't be mad at that.

Yes, I remember when I put you on ignore. For the same reason you're about to go on ignore again. You post gibberish that doesn't make sense. Look how you embarrassed yourself here blabbing about an offer that not only didn't exist, but also one that no one thought was relevant to anything.

Take your meds and go to sleep.

[cfang]

Surely everyone knowx dempsey ducked wills. He was the top contender for about 5 years and dempsey chose guys lower down the rankings to fight. Mostly lt heavys or guys hed beaten before.

[HOUDINI563]

Actually completely untrue. The well known history shows that those that controlled boxing did not want a mixed race heavyweight championship bout. This would include Rickard, Dempseys primary promoter and Kearns, Dempseys Manager. No black heavyweight fought a white heavyweight champion for the title, except Johnson, from the inception of the sport until 1937 for a reason and that reason had nothing to do with Dempsey.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Outside of Tunney, is there any Heavyweight from Dempsey's era until Ali of the 70s that anyone would pick to beat Dempsey!?

Sure, he was crude. But that's not the same as archaic or ineffective. He'd have had an easier time of Louis opponents than Louis had. And the same can be said of Ali's opponents, except for Foreman, Young and Holmes.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I'm giving you the chances, son. You are the one who keeps ducking my questions remember.

Now I will answer your question.

Here is the well known history.


Dempsey broke a contract that was valid and followed by the promoters.


Do you have any proof of this being false. Yes or no?

What does it matter? Wills was dog shyte. Sure, he was an upgrade from hacks like Langford and Johnson. But he was never fit to carry Willard's jockstrap.

[HOUDINI563]

Dempsey was not crude. One of the most highly skilled swarmers ever to live. A fine mix of boxer AND puncher as per Tunney.

[Willie Pep 229]

Please stop saying Dempsey chose from further down the ranking's list.

In 1922-23 when the Dempsey-Wills fight should have taken place there were no Ring Magazine rankings to choose "lower down" from.

The Ring Magazine didn't begin its ratings until 1924.

Now if you want to buy into the BS that the NYSAC, by self accumulation, had the right to decide who the HW Champion better or better not fight, then yes you can BS yourself into believing Dempsey chose from further down the "rankings."

But then again you are probably today, someone who believes that what the WBC does is 'just.'

The NYSAC was created and appointed by Tammany Hall politicians under the "Jimmy" Walker Act in 1920, whose interest was New York, and by proxy Harry Wills.

Stop assuming that Wills was the undisputed number #1 challenger in everyone's eyes. That was only in New York, where there was a vested interest and a very loud voice that has reverberated through time. . . . It was a different time; attitudes were very regional.

By claiming that Dempsey chose from 'further down the list" you are championing the first 'corrupt ruling body' the NYSAC -- They even shamelessly tried to strip Dempsey of the title when they couldn't get what they wanted. Doesn't that sound familiar?

Now, the '26 decision to fight Tunney is more interesting because you have The Ring rankings in play. But the problem with that is the original Ring Rankings were created by Tex Rickard. So its just another vested interest being given 'authority" by self-accumulation. Besides the rankings did not yet hold the clout they would eventually hold.

Anyway, in keeping with his own rankings Rickard offered Wills in '26 an elimination bout with Tunney but Wills' people begged off.

When thinking this through try seeing the NYSAC as the WBC, Rickard as Don King, and Doc Kearns as Lou/Dan Duva. It all makes much more sense when you do that.

Stop thinking anyone held undisputed authority.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Dempsey was not crude. One of the most highly skilled swarmers ever to live. A fine mix of boxer AND puncher as per Tunney.

He had no answer for that jab or for lateral movement.
Gibbons slipped his punches for 15 straight rounds.

The guy was definitely patchy.