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  • The start of 1926 the heavyweight division continued to shake out; Tunney, Maloney, Delaney, Wills, Sharkey, Uzcundun and others were now in contention.

    Then in early 1926 Wills was offered $250,000 to fight Gene Tunney in a title eliminator with the winner to meet the champion. Wills turned it down. Wills believed that fighting Dempsey was now a matter of entitlement. A Wills-Tunney fight may have changed the course of events had Wills won. However once Wills refused to fight Tunney the Tunney-Dempsey match was then scheduled.

    Still there seemed no end to the claims, even as the Dempsey-Tunney fight approached. On August 6, 1926, the Evening Independent reported that a Chicago matchmaker, Doc Krone, announced that a $300,000 check was waiting for Dempsey in a Chicago bank. On August 22, the Telegraph Herald reported that Wills’ manager Paddy Mullins tried to bluff Dempsey once more into a contract, and then reportedly “failed to come forward with $150,000” saying, “We’ll post the money immediately if Dempsey will sign to fight Wills before September 23.” It was all too late. The public wanted Dempsey back, and he was in the ring with Gene Tunney three weeks later.

    Then everything changed. Dempsey lost in an upset to Tunney, who then became champion. In October, Wills himself returned to the ring. Jack Sharkey brought Wills’ winning streak to an end.

    According to Time magazine, “Sharkey chopped and hacked at Wills, closed his eye, made his mouth bleed; all through the fight.” Wills reportedly backhanded, butted, and hit Sharkey during the breaks in an effort to discourage his opponent. After numerous warnings by the referee, Wills was disqualified in the 13th round.

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    • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
      - -Them saber boys quite a bit smarter than U prepubescent adolescence.

      Certified $ in the bank purses and venue.

      Neither Wills nor Dempsey turned them down.

      Time for U to strap on U smarty phone panties and give us U skinny...snickers!

      Can you read????? Dempsey himself stated he would NOT fight Wills in1920. Give it up, pops

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      • Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
        Why is anyone debating this Bull**** poster? Again the facts surrounding Dempsey not facing Wills have been known and understood for nearly 100 years. Dempsey was in no way to blame for the bout not happening. Wills himself years later cast zero blame upon Dempsey. Wills stated it was those who controlled the sport that would not allow the bout to occur. AND if it were up to Dempsey the bout WOULD have happened. That’s the man himself talking.
        Why aren't you debating me? Because you can't. You're obviously afraid because you know you have no comeback for the information that I have.

        Where is the source for this Wills statement? I asked you already and you keep ignoring it.

        Here's one from Wills.

        "I don't expect ever to meet Dempsey in the ring," said a resigned Wills. "He has been dodging me for many years and now I am convinced he has been kidding all along.

        https://www.nydailynews.com/archives...ticle-1.515138

        That's the man himself talking

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        • Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
          Still there seemed no end to the claims, even as the Dempsey-Tunney fight approached. On August 6, 1926, the Evening Independent reported that a Chicago matchmaker, Doc Krone, announced that a $300,000 check was waiting for Dempsey in a Chicago bank.
          This is literally the only thing you've mentioned about the broken contract.

          In accordance with the contract, Dempsey was to be paid $300,000 on August 5th.


          Guess what. The promoter kept their end of the deal


          Here's the check. A guaranteed check at that. What you gotta say now, Houdini? Just like a punch to the gut, huh? Like the one that killed the actual Houdini



          And confirmation that the promoters upheld the contract by a US court.

          By the terms of the agreement Dempsey was to receive $10, receipt of which was acknowledged, and the plaintiff further agreed to pay to Dempsey the sum of $300,000 on the 5th day of August 1926, — $500,000 in cash at least 10 days before the date fixed for the contest, and a sum equal to 50 per cent of the net profits over and above the sum of $2,000,000 in the event the gate receipts should exceed that amount. In addition the defendant was to receive 50 per cent of the net revenue derived from moving picture concessions or royalties received by the plaintiff, and defendant agreed to have his life and health insured in favor of the plaintiff in a manner and at a place to be designated by the plaintiff. Defendant further agreed not to engage in any boxing match after the date of the agreement and prior to the date on which the contest was to be held.

          We are unable to conceive upon what theory the defendant could contend that there was no contract, as it appears to be admitted in the proceeding here and bears his signature and the amounts involved are sufficiently large to have created a rather lasting impression on the mind of anyone signing such an agreement. It amounts, however, to a repudiation of the agreement and from that time on Dempsey refused to take any steps to carry out his undertaking.


          Like I said. Contract was signed. Money was present. Dempsey took off. Prove me wrong.
          Last edited by travestyny; 07-10-2020, 01:11 AM.

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          • Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
            HARRY WILLS - AUGUST 11, 1956

            Don’t blame Dempsey

            Yes, I know, now, that Dempsey wanted to fight me, but the politics of the game were against it. Powerful politicians said that a black man shouldn’t fight Dempsey for the title. And that ended it.

            I still think I had a great chance to beat him but I don’t’ think about that anymore.” Wills tells you. And he can still grin, at the humorous aspects of his career.

            Source? Link? Newspaper? Article? Anything? Seems like the same thing GhostofForgery said was from a date in 1920. You guys need to get your stories straight.


            Once again. I see his thoughts on the matter right here.

            "I don't expect ever to meet Dempsey in the ring," said a resigned Wills. "He has been dodging me for many years and now I am convinced he has been kidding all along.

            https://www.nydailynews.com/archives...ticle-1.515138

            And regardless of all of that, the proof is above. Signed contract. Promoters ready. Wills ready. Money secured. Dempsey runs away. Once again, prove it wrong!
            Last edited by travestyny; 07-09-2020, 11:52 PM.

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            • Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
              Muldoon:

              “Dempsey has indicated his willingness to defend his title against all comers. I am sure if his sincerity. When the commission decided to accept Wills challenge that was done on purpose. That purpose has been fulfilled. Dempsey had agreed to meet Wills and it is no fault of his that no promoter could be found who is willing to risk staging such a mixed bout”.
              This Muldoon?

              Muldoon was opposed to mixed-race bouts and was voted out of the chairmanship after he refused to approve a fight between heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey and the great black fighter Harry Wills.

              http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/ind...t/muldoon.html

              If all of the powerful people were against the fight, why would he be voted out....for being against the fight? Hmmmmm. Thanks for making my case stronger.

              And we know that a promoter was willing.




              Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
              Fleischer:
              He was not afraid to fight Wills. If it were left up to him he would have been pleased to enter the ring vs Wills without any training but his manager Jack Kearns was opposed to such a match and Kearns was the boss.”
              Sorry. Kearns wasn't involved when Dempsey broke that contract. He was too busy suing Dempsey. But you are welcome to keep trying.
              Last edited by travestyny; 07-10-2020, 01:14 AM.

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              • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                Can you read????? Dempsey himself stated he would NOT fight Wills in1920. Give it up, pops
                - -Date, quote, and link...Simples...

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                • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                  - -Date, quote, and link...Simples...
                  Already posted it to you, dumbo. Post #223.

                  Not like your link that was already proven false

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                  • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                    - -Date, quote, and link...Simples...
                    We have proven Dempsey agreed to fight Wills twice in his prime and once when Wills had no chance in hell of beating him. You’re arguing with an ass-clown who has a clear agenda on here.

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                    • “Clown” is the right word. Known history for nearly 100 years and the poster thinks he has found the holy grail by stringing together newspaper articles. Dempsey was exonerated 90 years ago when the history was fresh.

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