Ike Ibeabuchi VS Joe Louis

[Ascended]

Everything you said may well be correct.

You are asking me to agree with your opinion, and you are pointing out that you believe there is a consensus to that opinion. Ok! -- That may all also be correct, and I may even come to embrace that opinion along with you and the majority.

But it still not a fact!

It is important we separate facts from opinions and interpretations even if they likely, or are generally accepted.

Facts are usually boring pieces of information that have to be built off of . . .

Im not asking you to argee to something Thats on vid that is fact I said stop acting blind and saying its opinion when its not its no debate here what I said is fact cause its on video now if I was wrong and the poster vid would show it I asked multiple people on the other page to show it they wont cause they cant he never showed it

[Willie Pep 229]

its not a interpretation its facts from vid watch the vid you crazy i told you to watch why wont you its not a lie its on video how he moved and his flaws which he moved like poster said plodding which i call tiptoeing stiff and basic which he did

when you watch the jersey vid he looked like he was from the future and joe looked like the rest which was like poster said stiff slow and basic is this opinion no its all on video or are you gonna say jers didnt look like he looked ether when its on video him using mutiple angles while punching and being able to punch smoothly while moving forward which neither joe showed you crazy person so stop we can see these names and others back then on video

where is the opinion at its not any he lost he struggled and he moved bad compared to other eras there is no opinion there stop acting blind and watch and being crazy what are you denying something that exist on like it doesnt video your crazy

All the bold words are assoucated with interpretation; not a single fact.

Here's a fact: for Louis we have video tape which we can evaluate, for Greb there are unfortunately no tapes to view.

Everything after that is an evaluation of Louis by the viewer, not a fact.

[Willow The Wisp]

I count 18 humans who've ever lived who might give Joe Louis trouble under MOQ rules. I count at least 100 x that many people who post on boxing forums who know nothing about......

[The Old LefHook]

I count 18 humans who've ever lived who might give Joe Louis trouble under MOQ rules. I count at least 100 x that many people who post on boxing forums who know nothing about......

You must have something against listing the eighteen.

[Ascended]

I count 18 humans who've ever lived who might give Joe Louis trouble under MOQ rules. I count at least 100 x that many people who post on boxing forums who know nothing about......

Count 18 yet he struggled with who he struggled with who never would make pro your a idiot its mutiple who wouldnt give him trouble they would destroy him stop trolling you crazy person

Try watching other years dummy and see how boxing advanced over decades idiot

[Ascended]

You must have something against listing the eighteen.

He counts 18 yet struggled and was dropped and lost yet others from 70s-90s never would that dude is a troll and a idiot

[The Old LefHook]

Corbett
Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Marciano
Walcott
Charles
Liston
Clay
Frazier
Foreman
Lewis
Fury
Wilder
W. Klit
V. Klit
IB
Jimmy Young

Most of the above would beat Louis. And if Conn can whip him (which he essentially did) then a host of smaller boxers also have an excellent chance.

[Ascended]

Corbett
Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Marciano
Walcott
Charles
Liston
Clay
Frazier
Foreman
Lewis
Fury
Wilder
W. Klit
V. Klit
IB
Jimmy Young

Most of the above beat would Louis. And if Conn can whip him (which he essentially did) then a host of smaller boxers also have an excellent chance.

Why did you put out the truth man dont do him that way well ill join exposing that stuck in time idiot you forgot to add

Ruddock who was good at movement in his young days my fav slugger of all time alot of people underate razor I like his style

Ruiz from this era easy win

tyson who won run though him easy

Smith another one of my fav sluggers

Joshua from this era

Fury from this era

And mutiple other lw from 70s-90s would all run though him like butrr or bread

You used the wrong word you said Chance its no chance these people and the ones you named and didn't would all destroy him for a fact he has no way to defend or land on any of these legends/mid carders

I find it odd to how people always leave out jersey who moved better then anybody ever in the black and white era before ali im not dumb i know the reason they leave him out when talking on joe is cause he made joe look basic stiff and slow like the rest of the era

If jers who looked like he was from the future and made joe look basic and he was missing mutiple advances others had in 70s-90s what makes people think joe could hang with them people are so ****** here

[The Old LefHook]

I did forget Tyson, who might well beat Louis. I did NOT forget any of the others, churl wipe. Ruddock isn't beating anyone, nor is Ruiz. What are you, a halftard?

[Willow The Wisp]

Are you guys serious, or just saying crazy things and seeing who responds? I'm new here and not too sure how people like to post. I can tell you that I actually know a few of those guys whose names you've thrown around in the last string of posts, and none of them would say they'd have beaten Joe Fin Louis with a strait face, though I'm guessing some might appreciate your vote of confidence. Boxing isn't like the team sports. It has not evolved a stitch since the 30s and 40s.