Jack Johnson v Wladimir Klitschko

[Ray Corso]

If Wlad was transported back to Jacks era he would be KO'd! If Jack was to appear now he could have problems with Wlad but I doubt he'd be overwhelmed! Jack was considered one of the smartest and adaptable fighters of all time. There are spar session videos of Jack far out of his prime but you can see him slipping and counter punching. Hell the guy fought when he was 67 years old! Hopkins who???

The Heavyweight division has no limits on a scale. If Pep wanted to fight at heavy he could have! Theres also no height requirements! The division is an "Open Class"! It is NOT like other weight divisions that have "limits"!
Wlads height advantage is apparent but what happens when Marciano moves in under his shots and STAYS there! In every fight the fighters try to take their opponents advantages away think of that when you come up with these crazy fantasy fights! Does Wlad have the jab to continueously offset great pressure fighters? To me, no he doesn't! Ray.

[AlexKid]

If Wlad was transported back to Jacks era he would be KO'd! If Jack was to appear now he could have problems with Wlad but I doubt he'd be overwhelmed!t the fighters try to take their opponents adv? To me, no he doesn't! Ray.

He doesnt need the jab, he has one of the hardest straight right hands of all time.

Also all Jacks skill in the clinch is for nothing, since Wlad is so much bigger and stronger, not to mention reasonably skilled there too.

Jack got beat by some real nobodies. He also was one of the biggest guys in his era and relied on that too much that goes out the window when Wlad arrives.

Lastly if a big unskilled Jess Willard can dispatch of him in his prime, who was cannon fodder for guys like dempsey and max, then what do you think Wlad will do to him?

[billeau2]

those are professional HW boxers at a time when HW boxing was attracting many of the planet's big, athletic men. if you're considering them a fair comparison for the size of the average man i'd call that silly.

there will also be much better records kept of the size of the more famous fighters. when heights for HW are tallied mistakenly, it's often on the tall end.


johnson was quite large among his contemporaries. he's well filmed. you can look at his size and style for yourself. he won the title from tommy burns, who was 5'7" and 168 lbs on the day of the fight. several of johnson's opponents were in fact under the LHW limit.


i don't have a ton of time to go through the weights of each of the men you listed, but there are several among them who were markedly lighter than johnson upon first glance, and some of those who outweighed him were at the tail end of their careers.



he was called the galveston giant for show, then?

and what was going on when he fought a fighter with unheard of size at the time in willard [six and a half feet tall, and 240 lbs?]

You do realize the problem with your line of reasoning when you discuss the Willard fight?

Brooklyn Boy showed you the difference between an assumption given a name and the truth. In answer to your question: the general state of the country has a very nebulous effect on boxers...Its the "Africa" argument....to repeat: If you take ****** who are very strong from Africa does it mean all Africans are large, fit individuals? The answer is no...there are tall people and pygmies in Africa there are lactose intolerants and people who eat nothing but Dairy. The size of a heavyweight does not reflect the whole country New England!

The size of an African American in this country no more reflects the size of Africans than the size of the average american at the time reflects the size of a heavyweight fighter historically. Its hard to imagine but big guys chose to fight at a certain weight because of the activity at hand....Totally different from football where a football player is just a better developed athlete. We have been fighting a lot longer than playing football though.


There were big guys in Johnson's time and to say he fought like a big man is an opinion that many do not share....Of course you are entitled to this opinion if you want to discount a few opponents BB looked up!

[Scott9945]

He doesnt need the jab, he has one of the hardest straight right hands of all time.

Also all Jacks skill in the clinch is for nothing, since Wlad is so much bigger and stronger, not to mention reasonably skilled there too.

Jack got beat by some real nobodies. He also was one of the biggest guys in his era and relied on that too much that goes out the window when Wlad arrives.

Lastly if a big unskilled Jess Willard can dispatch of him in his prime, who was cannon fodder for guys like dempsey and max, then what do you think Wlad will do to him?

I mostly agree with you, but Johnson was 37 and well past his prime when he fought Willard.

[SN!PER]

I mostly agree with you, but Johnson was 37 and well past his prime when he fought Willard.

Agreed. He'd already endured 57 fights, many going 15 or 20 rounds. Consider the fact that boxers of that era wore 5 oz. gloves. Johnson was obviously an incredibly tough fighter. He gave up a 9 inch reach advantage against Willard and lasted 26 rounds. I'm sure the sheer athleticism and endurance of a prime Johnson would give today's fighters hell if they didn't knock him out.

[AlexKid]

I mostly agree with you, but Johnson was 37 and well past his prime when he fought Willard.

oh ok thanks for the correction scott, I just saw his long win streak after willard and assumed he was still prime.

[Ray Corso]

Alex Wlad doesn't have one of the hardest right hands the only thing hard around Wlad is in his fans pantz!
He is an ordinary talent in a **** era!!! He has done a great job defending but against who? He just fought a complete ammatuer and couldn't get rid of the guy in one of the worst title fight ever. I thought Ali vs Spinks was bad (and it was) but Wlads defense against that last guy was worse! The poor kid got mugged all night and if Wlad has such a great right hand why didn't he step off and drop it? If he fought and traded with that kid he would have lost, thats not "my opinion its HIS"!
I understand that this era of boxing is during your introduction but as I've told you before "learn the techniques" so your evaluation isn't based on "fandom" or fandumb! .............and how is Johnson small, he was 6'2" 210lbs you wish you were that size then you could be a heavyweight too!
Ray

[Weltschmerz]

Alex Wlad doesn't have one of the hardest right hands the only thing hard around Wlad is in his fans pantz!
He is an ordinary talent in a **** era!!! He has done a great job defending but against who? He just fought a complete ammatuer and couldn't get rid of the guy in one of the worst title fight ever. I thought Ali vs Spinks was bad (and it was) but Wlads defense against that last guy was worse! The poor kid got mugged all night and if Wlad has such a great right hand why didn't he step off and drop it? If he fought and traded with that kid he would have lost, thats not "my opinion its HIS"!
I understand that this era of boxing is during your introduction but as I've told you before "learn the techniques" so your evaluation isn't based on "fandom" or fandumb! .............and how is Johnson small, he was 6'2" 210lbs you wish you were that size then you could be a heavyweight too!
Ray

Dear oh dear...

[AlexKid]

Alex Wlad doesn't have one of the hardest right hands the only thing hard around Wlad is in his fans pantz!
He is an ordinary talent in a **** era!!! He has done a great job defending but against who? He just fought a complete ammatuer and couldn't get rid of the guy in one of the worst title fight ever. I thought Ali vs Spinks was bad (and it was) but Wlads defense against that last guy was worse! The poor kid got mugged all night and if Wlad has such a great right hand why didn't he step off and drop it? If he fought and traded with that kid he would have lost, thats not "my opinion its HIS"!
I understand that this era of boxing is during your introduction but as I've told you before "learn the techniques" so your evaluation isn't based on "fandom" or fandumb! .............and how is Johnson small, he was 6'2" 210lbs you wish you were that size then you could be a heavyweight too!
Ray

Im 6.1

215 pounds

So im bigger than him.

But not big by modern standards.

[Ray Corso]

Alex I've tried to educate you to learn techniques first to be able to give an intelligent evaluation but your so caught up with size its impossible!
There are correct motions and forms to use but if you don't know them your assessment lacks validity. Great fighters find flaws and they do it quickly, I never see Wlad recognize flaws he was very lucky that Emanuel accepted him and taught him how to use his height correctly. He is not multitalented fighter in fact he's very one dimentional!
But once again you won't listen because you won't put the time nneded into learning Methods & Techniques you think it can be read and learned on the net! Sorry sonny but it just doesn't work that way! If your ever in the "sunshine state" drop me a PM, I'll give you a couple of free lessons on the sweet science! The rings about 10 mins from my home.
Ray