Top 10 p4p hardest hitters of all time?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Henry Armstrong? Homicide Hank he must of hit hard a lot of KOs and in different divisions.

I think hank was more of a volume puncher that would overwhelm guys instead of having a one punch type power.. Def had alot of ko wins, but more like a nonstop punching barrage that would break guys instead of a hearns or foreman type guy that one clean shot would end it

[soul_survivor]

Write your guess

Here is mine (Remember its p4p so their shouldnt be many if any HW in there)



1) Julian Jackson (watch his KO highlight, undesputable, nuff said)

2) Nigel Benn (turned gerald into a "cripple" which is something Julian Jacksons punches didnt do)

3) Hitman Hearns (that straight right was dynamite)

4) Jack Dempsey (had power way above his physical frame, known as the giant killer for a reason) in a modern era with weight cutting he would have been a LHW

5) Naseem Hammed (never known such a light man to hit so hard)

Why no heavies? Aren't they p4p too? LOL

Ima make 2 lists, heavy and non-heavy. In no particular order:

Shavers
Tyson
Dempsey
Foreman
Louis

Honourable mentions go to Lyle, Marciano and Liston

Non-Heavy:
Hearns
Robinson
Naz
Jackson
Foster

Honourable mentions go to Pacquiao, Duran, Leonard and Hagler.

[ironalex]

Surprised that someone mentioned Edwin Valero over Pacquiao. He's up there for sure on my list.

Anyways, here's my take. Won't rank them though:

- Gerald McClellan
- Julian Jackson
- Bob Foster
- SRR
- Manny Pacquiao
- Joe Louis
- Sandy Saddler
- Alexis Arguello
- Wilfredo Gomez
- Roberto Duran

Wanted to stay away from the heavies as much as possible, but for a relatively small guy, Joe Louis had an awesome punch. Thought about including the likes of Tommy Hearns, Hagler, Monzon and some of the great middleweights of all times, but I think my ten is a pretty devastating list.

Duran and pacquaio are more accumulation punchers. I'm shocked to see jack Dempsey not in the list. Olivares too...

[LacedUp]

Duran and pacquaio are more accumulation punchers. I'm shocked to see jack Dempsey not in the list. Olivares too...

Do you think Jack Dempsey is a harder puncher p4p than Joe Louis? i'm not sure. Ruben Olivares could easily have made the list. Didn't even cross my mind when I wrote it, but he could have made it.

Pacquiao has always had awesome power. So did Duran. Kind of comparable actually. Nobody said it had to be one-punch knockout artists?

[Ben Bolt]

The most devastating one-punch hitters I’ve ever seen – and I’ve seen a lot – are Earnie Shavers and Julian Jackson.
That is, one-punch hitters.

There have been more efficient hardhitters.
But for one-punch artists …

[Humean]

What relevance does them being "World title fights" have? Were all world class opponents?

Not all 7 were "World ranked" either. Most of them actually weren't.

Where have I said they all have weak chins? I've not said that.

What I have said, is Valero never fought anyone with a good chin. Who did he fight with a good chin? Tell me.

The only thing that's parody here is claiming Valero is one the discussion to be one of the hardest punchers of all time. That is parody.

Who wasn't world ranked in his 8 world title fights? Certainly not most of them.

You are surely implying that his opponents must have had weak chins because you are doubting the credibility of Valero having great power, at least largely on the basis of the opponents he knocked out. I don't know who of his opponents had good chins but I'm pretty sure it is unlikely that none of them did.

It's absurd to think he was a great puncher.

He didn't show he was a "great" puncher.

Surely you have to hurt someone with a good chin to be a great pucher.

Is Adrien Broner a great puncher? His KO Ratio was pretty big especially at 130-135 and he stopped DeMarco quicker and more impressively.

See, this is certainly closer to Parody.

What is this based off? Because he knocked out literal bums in the first round consecutively?

The level of opposition he fought from 2002-2005 is on the same level as Denontay Wilder opposition.

His level of opposition at 130 is a joke and barely any of his "World title" fights were against ranked opposition and none of them were overly durable.

Similar situation at 135 at his short stay there.

The most durable guy he fought is DeMarco who it took him 9 rounds of bashing in before he was stopped.

How many fighters would have a 100% KO ratio from 130-135 if they fought the same opponents? Plenty.

There is nothing at all to suggest he's one of the hardest punchers in history at 130-135. That's just an absurd notion.

I noticed the word "great" sometimes gets thrown around without the fighters actually earning it.

I don't think that Broner's power at 130-135 was as high as Valero's but I do think he was a very big puncher that those weight classes.

How do you earn the mantle of greatness in respect to punching power? Surely it is a question of whether a fighter hits extremely hard or not? You two are telling me that you watched Valero fight at junior lightweight and lightweight, saw his sparring and heard from fighters who fought him about how hard he punched and just dismissed it until, what? Until he knocked out one of the guys on your non-existent lists of guys with sufficiently strong chins? That is parody.

[Humean]

I said, that's what I believe. Everything I've said I've stated is just my opinion.

The Mago situation is still new and unknown. More may come out about his situation.

From what's been uncovered about McClellan since I believe it was only a matter of time before what happened happened and Benn's punching may easily have fast forwarded to process.

Point being, I don't think that fight somehow shows that Benn's a hard puncher (Not saying he isn't of course because he is ) or the fact he did something Julian Jackson couldn't means something because I don't necessairly think his power is what caused the actual damage I believe the damage was already somewhat done.

I know it is your opinion but why do you have that opinion? There doesn't seem to be any actual evidence he had problems with his brain going into the fight. All we seem to have is rumour after the fight. I'm not suggesting that Benn punched harder than Julian Jackson, both were really big punchers but Jackson was undoubtedly the bigger puncher. I don't think anyone has puncher harder at 154 and 160 than Jackson. If only he knocked out Hagler or LaMotta so I could know for sure...

[Anthony342]

Do you think Jack Dempsey is a harder puncher p4p than Joe Louis? i'm not sure. Ruben Olivares could easily have made the list. Didn't even cross my mind when I wrote it, but he could have made it.

Pacquiao has always had awesome power. So did Duran. Kind of comparable actually. Nobody said it had to be one-punch knockout artists?

Agreed, a knockout with one punch or a large accumulation is still a knockout and still proves someone hits hard, that's why I included Barrera and would include Chavez.

[IronDanHamza]

[QUOTE=Humean;14101026]Who wasn't world ranked in his 8 world title fights? Certainly not most of them.

You are surely implying that his opponents must have had weak chins because you are doubting the credibility of Valero having great power, at least largely on the basis of the opponents he knocked out. I don't know who of his opponents had good chins but I'm pretty sure it is unlikely that none of them did.[\QUOTE]

It would likely be easier to name they ones that were ranked.

Go ahead and name them. You are after all the one that citied these "world title" fights as if that automatically equals to relevance.

Why am I "surely" implying that? Why is it in every thread you're in you're taking someone's comment and saying it implys something they haven't said.

I said "he didn't fight anyone with a great chin so how do we know he's one of the hardest punchers of all time?"

Since when does "fighting no one with a great chin" equal "he only fought people with weak chins"?

I haven't even mentioned the term "weak chin" once.

The fact remains, though, that he's never fougt a fighter with a great chin therefore how can he be considered one of the greatest punchers of all time?

I'm sure some of them were at least reasonably durable but none of them are overly durable and the most durable guy he fought was Antonio Demarco who he didn't even blast out.

Very little basis for someone to be one of the hardest punchers ever at 135.

don't think that Broner's power at 130-135 was as high as Valero's but I do think he was a very big puncher that those weight classes.

Why not?

He actually stopped Demarco as opposed to him quitting on the stool and faster aswell. And that's the best guy Valero faced.

Or does he need a few more 1 round knock outs of a few more bums?

How do you earn the mantle of greatness in respect to punching power? Surely it is a question of whether a fighter hits extremely hard or not? You two are telling me that you watched Valero fight at junior lightweight and lightweight, saw his sparring and heard from fighters who fought him about how hard he punched and just dismissed it until, what? Until he knocked out one of the guys on your non-existent lists of guys with sufficiently strong chins? That is parody.

How can you just tell if he hits hard? Plenty of fighters were knockong over less than stellar opposition until they stepped up.

That's why surely it's common sense that a guy has to prove his ability first?

I didn't dismiss Valero's power I just was waiting for him to prove it legtimate which will never happen now.

What I do know and what's actual fact is his power is unknown at this point and forever will be.

What I can gauge from the Demarco fight however is it likely isn't all that great.

I think it's extremely difficult for YOU to call something else parody when you're here claiming Valero is one of the hardest puncher in the history of the Lightweight division.

You want to know when I consider a fighter to be a P4P great in regards to punching power? Usually when they display the ability to hurt a top tier fighter with a top tier chin.

If you think Valero is one of the hardest punchers of all time based of your eyes and "sparring stories" then what's stopping you from saying Deontay Wilder from being one of the hardest punchers of all time at Heavyweight? Since, Valero's "amazing" run of knocking out bums in Round 1 that you're so impressed by is about the sale caliber as Wilders opponents. And just about everyone he's sparred with say he's a very hard puncher.

Or, maybe he just needs some "world title" fights against mostly unranked fighters and then he'd be on Valero's level.

It's hilarious you're having this view that anyone who doesn't say Valero isn't amongst the hardest punchers of all time is "parody" That in itself is parody.

[IronDanHamza]

I know it is your opinion but why do you have that opinion? There doesn't seem to be any actual evidence he had problems with his brain going into the fight. All we seem to have is rumour after the fight. I'm not suggesting that Benn punched harder than Julian Jackson, both were really big punchers but Jackson was undoubtedly the bigger puncher. I don't think anyone has puncher harder at 154 and 160 than Jackson. If only he knocked out Hagler or LaMotta so I could know for sure...

It's something I believe based on what's come out after the fight and his previous issues. Nothing more.

And since when have I said that you have to knock out some of the greatest chins of all times to be considered a hard puncher? Pathetic.

Just hurting a fighter with a good chin would be nice No, fighting someone with a good chin would be nice.

Jackson and Benn actually fought and hurt fighters with proven chins yet they are around Valero's level in your eyes