Top 10 p4p hardest hitters of all time?

[IronDanHamza]

Why would it have happened regardless? There doesn't seem to be any evidence that there was anything wrong with his brain going into the fight. It clearly was Benn's punching power that caused it, Benn was a very big puncher who punched McClellan in the hit many many times for 10 rounds.

It is an average case of a fighter getting punched in the head many times over a sustained period of time until they can no longer cope with it. The only difference in this fight was the fighters corner and the referee didn't seem to show any awareness of McClellan's condition as the fight wore on and that precipitated the fighter to have to quit himself mid round. There is no significant difference in what went on in this fight that what happened with Abdusalamov. In both cases the brain will have started to bleed at some point during the fight.

I said, that's what I believe. Everything I've said I've stated is just my opinion.

The Mago situation is still new and unknown. More may come out about his situation.

From what's been uncovered about McClellan since I believe it was only a matter of time before what happened happened and Benn's punching may easily have fast forwarded to process.

Point being, I don't think that fight somehow shows that Benn's a hard puncher (Not saying he isn't of course because he is ) or the fact he did something Julian Jackson couldn't means something because I don't necessairly think his power is what caused the actual damage I believe the damage was already somewhat done.

[IronDanHamza]

I wasn't listing him in my top 10 because I wasn't doing a top 10 but he was undoubtedly one of the hardest hitting super-featherweight/lightweights of all time.

See, this is certainly closer to Parody.

What is this based off? Because he knocked out literal bums in the first round consecutively?

The level of opposition he fought from 2002-2005 is on the same level as Denontay Wilder opposition.

His level of opposition at 130 is a joke and barely any of his "World title" fights were against ranked opposition and none of them were overly durable.

Similar situation at 135 at his short stay there.

The most durable guy he fought is DeMarco who it took him 9 rounds of bashing in before he was stopped.

How many fighters would have a 100% KO ratio from 130-135 if they fought the same opponents? Plenty.

There is nothing at all to suggest he's one of the hardest punchers in history at 130-135. That's just an absurd notion.

[greeh]

If Naseem Hamed and especially Edwin Valero get mentioned, then sure as hell should Antonio Avelar be. He knocked out better opposition and carried his power all the way up to 118 lbs.

A K.O victory over Shoji Oguma trumps everything on Valero’s resume. Any lame tries of discrediting that with the intent to hype up Valero is laughable.

While I am at it, I might as well continue. Alfonso Zamora should also be included. To leave him out is not a viable option, especially when you compare him to some of the other names/lists posted.

Zamora may very well be the hardest pure puncher to have ever fought at bantamweight.

Sung-Kil Moon and German Torres are another two who showcased their power against better opposition than Edwin friggin’ Valero, but they don’t get near the praise that he receives by some!

To be honest with you, it is actually scary how dumb some posters really are. I mean, why the **** would you take the time to read through more knowledgeable posters input or research carefully on your own and then discuss in a civilized manner using common sense with the benefit of actually learning something when you can be a stubborn idiot.

To wrap up this madness, I want to say:

Edwin Valero was a limited and terribly overrated fighter who should have trashed Antonio DeMarco inside a couple of rounds if he was such a hellacious puncher.

Two-weight “world champion” in my ass…

[IronDanHamza]

If Naseem Hamed and especially Edwin Valero get mentioned, then sure as hell should Antonio Avelar be. He knocked out better opposition and carried his power all the way up to 118 lbs.

A K.O victory over Shoji Oguma trumps everything on Valero’s resume. Any lame tries of discrediting that with the intent to hype up Valero is laughable.

While I am at it, I might as well continue. Alfonso Zamora should also be included. To leave him out is not a viable option, especially when you compare him to some of the other names/lists posted.

Zamora may very well be the hardest pure puncher to have ever fought at bantamweight.

Sung-Kil Moon and German Torres are another two who showcased their power against better opposition than Edwin friggin’ Valero, but they don’t get near the praise that he receives by some!

To be honest with you, it is actually scary how dumb some posters really are. I mean, why the **** would you take the time to read through more knowledgeable posters input or research carefully on your own and then discuss in a civilized manner using common sense with the benefit of actually learning something when you can be a stubborn idiot.

To wrap up this madness, I want to say:

Edwin Valero was a limited and terribly overrated fighter who should have trashed Antonio DeMarco inside a couple of rounds if he was such a hellacious puncher.

Two-weight “world champion” in my ass…

Precisely.

I can't even fathom the idea of considering Valero to be one of the hardest punchers of all time at 135.

The justification of the fact he knocked out a load of (literal) bums out in the first consecutively is so silly IMO. Those consecutive KO1 victories were no better than Wilder's opposition.

Like you said, the most durable guy he fought was DeMarco and it took him 9 rounds and a whole lot of solid punches to get him out of there and he couldn't even knock him out either.

He's considered a monsterous puncher because he stopped everyone he fought but the vast majority of fighters he fought weren't good fighters. Even most of his Title reigns were against unranked opposition.

[joseph5620]

If Naseem Hamed and especially Edwin Valero get mentioned, then sure as hell should Antonio Avelar be. He knocked out better opposition and carried his power all the way up to 118 lbs.

A K.O victory over Shoji Oguma trumps everything on Valero’s resume. Any lame tries of discrediting that with the intent to hype up Valero is laughable.

While I am at it, I might as well continue. Alfonso Zamora should also be included. To leave him out is not a viable option, especially when you compare him to some of the other names/lists posted.

Zamora may very well be the hardest pure puncher to have ever fought at bantamweight.

Sung-Kil Moon and German Torres are another two who showcased their power against better opposition than Edwin friggin’ Valero, but they don’t get near the praise that he receives by some!

To be honest with you, it is actually scary how dumb some posters really are. I mean, why the **** would you take the time to read through more knowledgeable posters input or research carefully on your own and then discuss in a civilized manner using common sense with the benefit of actually learning something when you can be a stubborn idiot.

To wrap up this madness, I want to say:

Edwin Valero was a limited and terribly overrated fighter who should have trashed Antonio DeMarco inside a couple of rounds if he was such a hellacious puncher.

Two-weight “world champion” in my ass…

I couldn't agree with you more. It actually annoys me when I see his name even mentioned among all time list.

[joseph5620]

Precisely.

I can't even fathom the idea of considering Valero to be one of the hardest punchers of all time at 135.

The justification of the fact he knocked out a load of (literal) bums out in the first consecutively is so silly IMO. Those consecutive KO1 victories were no better than Wilder's opposition.

Like you said, the most durable guy he fought was DeMarco and it took him 9 rounds and a whole lot of solid punches to get him out of there and he couldn't even knock him out either.

He's considered a monsterous puncher because he stopped everyone he fought but the vast majority of fighters he fought weren't good fighters. Even most of his Title reigns were against unranked opposition.

It would be no different from putting Jaime Garza on the list. I wish Valero would have had a fight against some legitimate opposition to expose what he really was.

[IronDanHamza]

It would be no different from putting Jaime Garza on the list. I wish Valero would have had a fight against some legitimate opposition to expose what he really was.

If he'd died in 1984 then that would actually be quite similar

He'd knocked out pretty much everyone he'd fought up to that point (His first loss) and a few of those were World title fights aswell.

[greeh]

It would be no different from putting Jaime Garza on the list. I wish Valero would have had a fight against some legitimate opposition to expose what he really was.

Unfortunately, there was no legitimate opponent who was able to catch the coward before he killed himself. I would have loved to see him get his own Garza-esque moment of truth.

[them_apples]

If Naseem Hamed and especially Edwin Valero get mentioned, then sure as hell should Antonio Avelar be. He knocked out better opposition and carried his power all the way up to 118 lbs.

A K.O victory over Shoji Oguma trumps everything on Valero’s resume. Any lame tries of discrediting that with the intent to hype up Valero is laughable.

While I am at it, I might as well continue. Alfonso Zamora should also be included. To leave him out is not a viable option, especially when you compare him to some of the other names/lists posted.

Zamora may very well be the hardest pure puncher to have ever fought at bantamweight.

Sung-Kil Moon and German Torres are another two who showcased their power against better opposition than Edwin friggin’ Valero, but they don’t get near the praise that he receives by some!

To be honest with you, it is actually scary how dumb some posters really are. I mean, why the **** would you take the time to read through more knowledgeable posters input or research carefully on your own and then discuss in a civilized manner using common sense with the benefit of actually learning something when you can be a stubborn idiot.

To wrap up this madness, I want to say:

Edwin Valero was a limited and terribly overrated fighter who should have trashed Antonio DeMarco inside a couple of rounds if he was such a hellacious puncher.

Two-weight “world champion” in my ass…

well just about everyone he sparred with said he was an incredibly hard puncher. Coupled by the fact that he stopped everyone he faced. You cant use the deMarco fight as an example, he was the victim of a vicious elbow to the head that was dripping blood into his eye from then on, not to mention Demarco quit due to a headache - a knockout comes from a shot you dont see coming that usually hits you in the chin or liver - skills and being a knockout artist are 2 completely different things.

If you watch the guy at 130 there's no way you cant say he doesn't hit brutally hard.
A lot of people said Foreman in the 90's was the hardest hitter they ever faced, but he was to slow to really catch anyone.

[bigsmoothh]

carlos zarate, and ruben olivares had bombs for fist.