Ali IS tha man...

[Dempsey1238]

Schaaf was a REAL good fighter in his era, Hell for a while people went crazy and were searching for John L Sullivan's old gold belt, and if found they would give it too Schaaf and declear him the new champ. Thats how big he was. He would have giving Fraizer a give run up in a fight, and maybe get bomb out like Joe Roman or Ken Norton by Foreman.

That search even involed Nat. He fould the belt melted and turn into gold chucks, so they never could relly offer the title to Schaaf.

Than the Baer fight happen, it was one of the worse beatings in Ring History. Baer's right hand ko Schaaf, and Schaaf had brain damage, after the bout. But he needed money, and there was no health regulitions back than compare today, So he fought Primo Carnera, and Carnera killed him with a light jab.

I belive Baer Killed Campbell with one murderious right on the ropes.

[Yogi]

I belive Baer Killed Campbell with one murderious right on the ropes.

I think I've read that before, as well, and if so...Baer knocked Campbell's brain completely loose from any tissue contact with only that one right hand.

[Heckler]

Greatest heart? I'm not so sure about that. He wanted to quit in most of his major fights, but Dundee wouldn't let him

Find proof of any kind. If not shut your mouth, Ali was alot of things but a QUITTER wasn't one of them, his ego was wouldn't allow him to do that.

[butterfly1964]

Find proof of any kind. If not shut your mouth, Ali was alot of things but a QUITTER wasn't one of them, his ego was wouldn't allow him to do that.

that's very true.

[Yogi]

Find proof of any kind. If not shut your mouth, Ali was alot of things but a QUITTER wasn't one of them, his ego was wouldn't allow him to do that.

"Cut my gloves off. I can't see. We're going home." Cassius yelled.

"No way," I snapped. "Get in there and fight. If you can't see, keep away from him until your eyes clear. This is the big one. Nobody walks away from the heavyweight championship."

-Angelo Dundee speaking about a time when Ali wanted to quit and that there can be found on page 194 of Dundee's bio, 'I Only Talk Winning'.

[butterfly1964]

"Cut my gloves off. I can't see. We're going home." Cassius yelled.

"No way," I snapped. "Get in there and fight. If you can't see, keep away from him until your eyes clear. This is the big one. Nobody walks away from the heavyweight championship."

-Angelo Dundee speaking about a time when Ali wanted to quit and that there can be found on page 194 of Dundee's bio, 'I Only Talk Winning'.

what else would you do if you literally couldn't see. clay knew it would be suicide to go out into the ring blind against liston, a straight-up killer. doesn't mean clay had no heart.

[Yogi]

"Clay didn't want to come out for the round at all. He told me later that he was at the door of the Near Room--the place with the trombone-playing alligators and the screaming snakes. He almost went in. He said that his eyes hurt so much from whatever it was in them that he told Dundee to cut the gloves off."

-page 104 of George Plimpton's, 'Shadow Box'

[Yogi]

what else would you do if you literally couldn't see.

Do like what Marciano did for a few rounds against Walcott in their first fight and suck it up...Never hear/read anything about Marciano wanting someone to "cut the gloves off" now do you?

[Dempsey1238]

Marciano was blind vs Walcott,

Folly and Machen were blind vs Liston and yet they did not ask for the gloves to be cut off.

Thats about it off the top of my head.

[Brassangel]

He actually posted a quote from another source; while covering the same fight, it was the biggest one of his career by that point. A fight where Ali would become the Heavyweight Champion of the world is one where more details would be carefully recorded than they would be in other situations.

Oh yeah, Ali also had to receive encouragement to resume the fight in Manilla against Frazier after round 10. He was going to refuse the bell but his cornermen pushed him out. This information can be found in "King of the World," and Joe's training manual/autobiography, who's name I can't remember.

Fortunately for Ali, he resumed both of these fights and went on to receive a great name because of said victories. He had a lot of heart, but his heart came more from his corner than from himself in those situations. Even so, Ali is still the man.