Ali IS tha man...

[hellfire508]

Hellfire, this whole discussion started when someone said that "Ali wanted to quit", which prompted a response from someone challenging him to "find any proof of that", which is when I presented those quotes.

Oh sorry I didn't read that.

[Brassangel]

hellfire508 Oh sorry I didn't read that.

This seems to be a common theme on these threads. I just had to clear up a bunch of stuff on the thread I started about Frazier vs. Holyfield, where I had Frazier winning. The controversey comes from the fact that because I wrote about Holyfield putting up a good fight, [they] believe he (Holyfield) won. People don't believe in reading all of the details anymore, I guess.

On a side note, this comment was not to knock you, hellfire508, it was mearly to clear up a common frustration.

[Yogi]

lets be logical now... the first instinct that comes to you when your eyes burn is to get your hands to your eyes and wipe your eyes.

Sorry, I can't help you there...because unlike you obviously do, I don't shed any tears when someone provides factual evidence against a favourite fighter of mine.

[Yogi]

indeed ali is the favorite fighter of mine, but i would never give biased information, and would never avoid a question because i'm a dumb ***** who knows i don't have anything to reply with

I already replied with two quotes from very credible sources stating Ali wanted to quit in that first Liston fight...All you have is wishful thinking, as evidence by your reaching "REALLY REALLY REALLY" comment...

Call me a "dumb *****" all you want, but I'll certainly take the words of both Angelo Dundee and Ali over some Ali fan on a boxing board.

[Yogi]

^idiot... i would never give biased information, you just can't admit you were wrong...

Where was I "wrong"?

I gave the exact quotes from two books and both sources were very, very close to Ali at the time (unlike some fan 40+ years later claiming otherwise), which you and anybody else could look up for yourself by taking a short trip to the library.

You own a library card, don't you? If so, what are you waiting for...go to the library, take out either or both of those books, and tell me where I misquoted anything.

Good luck!

[Dempsey1238]

I even have Dundee saying that quote on FILM it self, when he was talking about the Liston fight.

Its called Ali, Brains, Skill and Guts(I not sure if it is the right order)

But Dundee did say that Ali said cut the gloves off, I cant see.

And Dundee just replie, This is the big apple, This is for the title, we dont cut gloves off here, just run.

[Dempsey1238]

The only other times is the Ali Fraizer 3rd fight, Round ten.

Now as we all know, Dundee push Ali, telling him not to quit, and well Ali did not quit, he did thought about quiting from time to time.

[Yogi]

seriously though, are you an idiot? i said you were completly right about those 2... can you tell me ANOTHER.. let me say it again for you... ANOTHER!!! ... time where ali wanted to quit? thanks

Huh?

One posting you're saying "you can't admit you were wrong" in reference to me & my previous posts on the issue, and in the next post you're saying that I'm "completely right"...All I talked about & offered quotes for was in regards to the first Ali/Liston fight, bro.

*scratches head*

[hellfire508]

Jazz - Ali did talk about quitting against Liston, and in Manila. I am probably Ali's biggest (realistic) fan. He said to Dundee "cut the gloves off" against Liston. He said he didn't want to go on against Frazier.

Just accept that he did say it. Jeez.

He didn't quit, and won both fights. So what's the big deal with admitting it? Do you feel it is downlplaying his heart?

Just watch him get knocked down by the hardest left hook ever thrown in round 15, against the undefeated heavyweight champion who hits like a damn truck - and get up in under 3 seconds, then come back and try and win the round. He had heart. And a damn big one at that.

[butterfly1964]

Jazz - Ali did talk about quitting against Liston, and in Manila. I am probably Ali's biggest (realistic) fan. He said to Dundee "cut the gloves off" against Liston. He said he didn't want to go on against Frazier.

Just accept that he did say it. Jeez.

He didn't quit, and won both fights. So what's the big deal with admitting it? Do you feel it is downlplaying his heart?

Just watch him get knocked down by the hardest left hook ever thrown in round 15, against the undefeated heavyweight champion who hits like a damn truck - and get up in under 3 seconds, then come back and try and win the round. He had heart. And a damn big one at that.

yeah, that's true, even though thast hook did look better than it was.