Ali IS tha man...

[butterfly1964]

Sure he would know how to handle him. Because Frazier would not be able to bully Louis around. Louis has incredible punching power and was better at executing it then frazier, frazier had a GOOD chin but not good enough for a Louis power punch.

louis is not fast enough to avoid frazier, plus he has a glass chin, so frazier would continuely rock louis' head and body over and over again until he falls.

[Yogi]

louis is not fast enough to avoid frazier, plus he has a glass chin

What is the basis for this "glass chin", Butterfly?

It just seems to me that a fighter who supposedly had a "glass chin" wouldn't nearly have been Heavyweight champion of the world for 12 straight years, and would also have a lot more than just two stoggage losses in 70+ fights (one of those at the very, very end of his career, as well).

Louis suffered a few flash knockdowns at the hands of some pretty good hitters (like Galento, Braddock, and Buddy Baer), but besides his fights with Schmeling and Marciano (and I guess a few moments during the 12th round of Conn I), I really haven't seen him in a whole lot of trouble.

Have you ever seen Louis' fight with Max Baer, whose often called one of the very hardest hitters in Heavyweight history? Well, if you did you'd see Baer hit Louis flush on the jaw a few times with his right hand, only to see Louis take the punch without damage and come back to tattoe Max right after (there's a good sequence at the end of the first that illustrates this).

You'll say Louis has a "glass chin", but I would bet you'd call Frazier's chin "granite" or something close to that, yes?

Personally, even though Frazier might have the slightest edge in that dept, I really don't see much of a difference there (Frazier had a good chin, but he was rocked PLENTY of times during his career...Stander, Foster, Ramos, Ali, Foreman, Bonavena, Quarry, etc.).

[Dempsey1238]

I would not call Louis's chin GLASS, I call it good.

Sure its not up there with Ali or Fraizer, or Marciano.

But he will not be ko with one shot, it will have to be a beating OVER a Series of rounds to knockout Louis.

Schmling landed, I dont know how many right hands, in that fight, but he beat Louis over the course of 12 rounds, to put Louis down.

I put him on the level of Tito imo.

[butterfly1964]

What is the basis for this "glass chin", Butterfly?

It just seems to me that a fighter who supposedly had a "glass chin" wouldn't nearly have been Heavyweight champion of the world for 12 straight years, and would also have a lot more than just two stoggage losses in 70+ fights (one of those at the very, very end of his career, as well).

Louis suffered a few flash knockdowns at the hands of some pretty good hitters (like Galento, Braddock, and Buddy Baer), but besides his fights with Schmeling and Marciano (and I guess a few moments during the 12th round of Conn I), I really haven't seen him in a whole lot of trouble.

Have you ever seen Louis' fight with Max Baer, whose often called one of the very hardest hitters in Heavyweight history? Well, if you did you'd see Baer hit Louis flush on the jaw a few times with his right hand, only to see Louis take the punch without damage and come back to tattoe Max right after (there's a good sequence at the end of the first that illustrates this).

You'll say Louis has a "glass chin", but I would bet you'd call Frazier's chin "granite" or something close to that, yes?

Personally, even though Frazier might have the slightest edge in that dept, I really don't see much of a difference there (Frazier had a good chin, but he was rocked PLENTY of times during his career...Stander, Foster, Ramos, Ali, Foreman, Bonavena, Quarry, etc.).

billy conn floored louis, a light hw. so replace conn with frazier in that situation, and see what happens.

[Yogi]

billy conn floored louis

Oh really?

And what round did Conn allegedly floor Louis in, Butterfly?

I'm only asking because when I watch that fight, I cannot find one occasion where "Conn floored Louis" in it.

[Heckler]

Very good Yogi. Styles make fights... and frazier swarming into Louis would be suicide.

[Heckler]

Butterfly do you legitimately believe that Frazier could do this, or is it because Frazier was an opponent of Ali and because of this you cannot say anything negative about him, or point out faults for in your mind it takes something away from Ali?

[Yogi]

Ask anybody who has seen a number of fights of Louis' and they'd tell one of, if not the most impressive performances of his was when he destroyed Buddy Baer in their rematch...Louis weighed around 205 for that fight, if not a little more.

Let's narrow that question down and ask only one person what they thought of a 206 1/2 lbs Joe Louis' performance against Buddy Baer, shall we?

Oh, and I think we can all agree that this gentleman knew JUST a little bit about the sport of boxing during that time;

"Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Dark Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches." - Nat Fleischer (Mar 1942 issue of The Ring)

[Gavilan1]

Yogi, did you get that quote from Beyond the Glory: Joe Louis and Max Schmeling?

[Yogi]

Yogi, did you get that quote from Beyond the Glory: Joe Louis and Max Schmeling?

Nope, I actually got that quote from Monte's site.