Ali IS tha man...

[supaduck]

Agreed, he was awesome. But Ali beat him the first time fair and square. Obviously moondog or whatever he's called doesn't watch boxing.

[Gavilan1]

Agreed, he was awesome. But Ali beat him the first time fair and square. Obviously moondog or whatever he's called doesn't watch boxing.

Question for you.

Where would you rank Roy Jones as a middleweight. W'ere talking all-time here.

[butterfly1964]

Getting back to the point, Ali struggled with Frazier in all three fights, lost the first one, got the decision in the second one and fell to the mat in exhaustion, and won the last one in the last round, Ali had the geatest heart, mouth, and chin, but not the greatest fighter. Jack Johnson and Joe Louis would have beat him without doubt. Why he even struggled with Henry Cooper and that louse of a Jerry Quarry...

ali didn't struggle with frazier that much in the second fight, and all those fights were past his prime.

excuse me? jack johnson and joe louis? you've got to be kidding? johnson was floored by a middleweight in stanley ketchel and louis was floored by a light hw in billy conn, so imagine what ali would do to them. johnson doesn't have the speed ali does, plus he's way smaller than ali, and ali has a granite chin so none of johnson's punches would hurt him. ali ko's johnson in 6 rounds or less, period. and as for louis, joe always had trouble with movers (like billy conn) people who were fast on their feet and could box, well who else is a better mover/boxer than muhammad ali? and plus ali is bigger than the guys louis fought, in fact ali is bigger than louis himself! so louis would be frustrated all night and be ko'd in the 8th.

and you are either a pathological liar or just ******ed. ali struggled with cooper? the first fight with cooper clay dominated most of the fight maybe losing the second round by a close margin and cut his face to ribbons, i've never seen anybody's eyes look worst than that after a fight, and after less than five rounds for goodness sakes imagine if the ref let the fight continue; cooper would be blind in that eye for the rest of his life no doubt. cooper just caught him with a lucky punch in the fourth that's all. and the second fight, forget about it, ali obviously cut his face up again as well, but cooper couldn't land crap, cause ali knew cooper's game plan cause he fought him before, so ali made that fight no more than an exhibition.

and ali didn't struggle with quarry at all either, wow, where are you getting your information from? he desposed of quarry in three rounds with absolutely no trouble, when ali's last fight was almost four years before. and the second fight was nothing much either, ali got a tko in the sixth with ease.

[supaduck]

Nice posting, Butterfly.

[butterfly1964]

Jack Johnson would of no doubt beat Ali. The defensive Jimmy Young caused problems for Ali and He arguably won that fight. The same could go for Jack Johnson who was a great defensive fighter, and had much more power then Young could ever dream of having.

ali was 34 and showing some signs of parkinsons syndrome, doofus. we're taking primes, at least i am. a 25 yr. old ali would dispose of young in 6, and johnson in about the same round. do you know how small johnson is and how big ali is? plus add ali's speed in the picture and it's a no brainer!

[butterfly1964]

Nice posting, Butterfly.

thanks, i do try.

[Yogi]

do you know how small johnson is and how big ali is?

Umm...do you?

If you did I doubt very much that you'd consider size to be a factor in the fight.

[butterfly1964]

Umm...do you?

If you did I doubt very much that you'd consider size to be a factor in the fight.

johnson 6'-1" 195. ali 6'-3 1/2" 213. about 20 lbs.

[Yogi]

johnson 6'-1" 195. ali 6'-3 1/2" 213. about 20 lbs.

What did you do, Butterfly, take the lightest Johnson weighed during his title reign and compared that to the Heaviest Ali weighed in his first reign?

Hey, I can do that to...Johnson 6'-1 1/2", 221lbs. Ali 6'3", 201 lbs. About 20 lbs.

Or what we could do is take them at what is considered to be their prime efforts or best wins at Heavyweight, vs. Jeffries and Terrell/Williams respectively;

Johnson: 6'-1 1/2", 205 lbs or so (and if you've seen the fight, Johnson looks in excellant shape and is quite cut)

Ali: 6'-3", 210 lbs or so.

The difference of an inch and a few pounds is pretty much irrelevant!

[butterfly1964]

What did you do, Butterfly, take the lightest Johnson weighed during his title reign and compared that to the Heaviest Ali weighed in his first reign?

Hey, I can do that to...Johnson 6'-1 1/2", 221lbs. Ali 6'3", 201 lbs. About 20 lbs.

Or what we could do is take them at what is considered to be their prime efforts or best wins at Heavyweight, vs. Jeffries and Terrell/Williams respectively;

Johnson: 6'-1 1/2", 205 lbs or so (and if you've seen the fight, Johnson looks in excellant shape and is quite cut)

Ali: 6'-3", 210 lbs or so.

The difference of an inch and a few pounds is pretty much irrelevant!

no that's not what i did. i took their prime weight. johnson in his PRIME weighed 195-197 and ali weighed 212-213 in his PRIME in 1967.