Joe Frazier vs Prime Evander Holyfield

[GhostofDempsey]

Moore was past prime for Marciano too,but that not the issue is it. Genius unless merited is a sarcastic slur and we both know it.Ive no wish to fall out with you I've said imo you overstated your case and I'll leave it there.
A 33 years old man with only29 fights on hjs clock is not over the hill.
Thats my position and I stand by it.

You’ve obviously never been inside of a ring and competed. Holyfield had every advantage over Qawi, including age. He had the amateur pedigree and was an Olympic bronze medal winner, over 170 fights. Qawi learned to box in prison, not nearly the level of competition available to Holyfield. He was much taller too. Getting off to a late start in boxing doesn’t get any easier as you get older.

[Ivich]

You’ve obviously never been inside of a ring and competed. Holyfield had every advantage over Qawi, including age. He had the amateur pedigree and was an Olympic bronze medal winner, over 170 fights. Qawi learned to box in prison, not nearly the level of competition available to Holyfield. He was much taller too. Getting off to a late start in boxing doesn’t get any easier as you get older.

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I boxed for nearly 20 years not to any standard worth talking about.Now do me a favour.**** OFF, I'm on Face Book, talking to my far flung family I got a message and interrupted a conversation with my niece, only to find its only you, a nobody with nothing better to do than stalk posters because you've nothing of any consequence going on in your life.
I have so Bye Bye!

[GhostofDempsey]

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I boxed for nearly 20 years not to any standard worth talking about.Now do me a favour.**** OFF, I'm on Face Book, talking to my far flung family I got a message and interrupted a conversation with my niece, only to find its only you, a nobody with nothing better to do than stalk posters because you've nothing of any consequence going on in your life.
I have so Bye Bye!

Are you that pathetic that you actually have notifications each time someone quotes you on here? I’m not stopping you from talking to your family on Facebook, that’s all on you psycho.

[mrbig1]

Great match up. You can make a case for both. Frazier's head movement will help him a great deal. To get inside without being hit too much. Holyfield has a great chin. 15 round UD Fraizer.

[Ascended]

Great match up. You can make a case for both. Frazier's head movement will help him a great deal. To get inside without being hit too much. Holyfield has a great chin. 15 round UD Fraizer.

Wrong cant make a case for joe cause his head movement was basic you outdated person and he never fought anybody as skilled as holy you crazy person he loses and fast

[Willie Pep 229]

I didn't call you any names either, unless you're claiming "genius" is a horrible slur, now.

You just made point point because where were most of those at 33 years old?

Outside of Archie Moore virtually all of them were past their primes, which was my point

Louis was getting outboxed badly by Walcott
Langford was losing to Harry Wills 3x
Dempsey was retired
Charles was done
Robinson was losing to Tiger Jones.

Like I said, before the past 10-20 years, 33 was past prime for virtually every athlete in the history of sports, not just boxing.

There are so many 'whys' I would like answered . . . But it would all be speculation.

Was the field of avaiable athletes deeper back then that mid thirties guys were pushed out by younger studs?

Or, has large size become so dominant that the pool of men big enough to compete at the professional has gotten smaller, thus allowing older big guys to stay competitive?

Or has other opportunities for wealth driven would be athletes away from sport, and again made the pool smaller?

Has nutrition, training, and medicine advanced so much that men are aging slower?

Has technique (in all sport) become so advanced (and difficult to learn) that older guys with mastery can out perform younger athletes still learning, thus extending their careers?

Is it that the baby boom generation suffers from peter pan syndrome and the next generation will see a return to younger athletes?

[mrbig1]

Wrong cant make a case for joe cause his head movement was basic you outdated person and he never fought anybody as skilled as holy you crazy person he loses and fast

Dog, you need to smoke a fatty and chill.

[Ascended]

Dog, you need to smoke a fatty and chill.

I chill when you crazy people stop saying ****** stuff

[mrbig1]

Here's the way I see a fair match up. If we could put Joe in today's time. Now we're talking about a 225-pound prime Frazier. It's not fair to put one era against another. More than likely you never saw a prime Frazier. This man before the Ali fight cleaned out the HW Division.

[QueensburyRules]

Here's the way I see a fair match up. If we could put Joe in today's time. Now we're talking about a 225-pound prime Frazier. It's not fair to put one era against another. More than likely you never saw a prime Frazier. This man before the Ali fight cleaned out the HW Division.

- - Then Joe paddled Ali to send him to the back of the class sobbing. That undefeated Ali scalp better than any of Vander's 5 best scalps combined.