Rocky Marciano is very overrated IMO

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  • Bundana
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    #221
    Originally posted by BattlingNelson

    In other words the baseline is number of fighters ie. the era with most fighters produces the best fighters aka is the best era. That's the baseline! So it's up to you to argue deviations around that baseline imo.
    If this is true, then we must conclude, that the 2010s is the decade with the best boxers since WW2!

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      #222
      Originally posted by Bundana

      If this is true, then we must conclude, that the 2010s is the decade with the best boxers since WW2!
      Yes. As a baseline. Some of us romantics will find that camel tough to swallow.

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        #223
        Originally posted by BattlingNelson

        Yes. As a baseline. Some of us romantics will find that camel tough to swallow.
        Camel maybe tough to swallow. But maybe not camel toe. Heyoooooooo.

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          #224
          Originally posted by Anthony342

          Camel maybe tough to swallow. But maybe not camel toe. Heyoooooooo.
          Juicy bits makes digestion easier.

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            #225
            Originally posted by BattlingNelson

            Juicy bits makes digestion easier.
            You ever watch the show Ghosts? The viking character seems to have something against Danes from the time he died. Hope that's not still a thing between you guys and I guess Norwegians. Even funnier on the show is when that character Thor meets his ghost son Bjorn, he finds out his son married a Danish woman and had 3 children with her lol. But now he's bound to this house he died in with some 50s style housewife.

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              #226
              Stephen "Breadman" Edwards on why he thinks the 1940's were the best:


              "Overall the 1940s is the best decade in the history of boxing in my opinion. Henry Amrstrong ended his reign in the 1940s and Armstrong was considered the best fighter of the 1930s. Joe Louis was the heavyweight champion. Billy Conn the light heavyweight stand out with Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles emerging as even better light heavyweights. Black Murderers Row had about 7 or 8 great contenders with Charley Burley leading the way. Marcel Cerdan, Jake Lamotta, Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano were all top middleweights. Sugar Ray Robinson was the best welterweight and fighter of the decade. Kid Gavilan was a top contender. Ike Williams was the best lightweight of the decade with Beau Jack , Sammy Angott and Bob Montgomery being almost as great. Willie Pep had a great decade, as did emerging Sandy Saddler at featherweight. Manuel Ortiz was a HOF bantamweight. There is NO decade greater or better than the 1940s."

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                #227
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                Stephen "Breadman" Edwards on why he thinks the 1940's were the best:


                "Overall the 1940s is the best decade in the history of boxing in my opinion. Henry Amrstrong ended his reign in the 1940s and Armstrong was considered the best fighter of the 1930s. Joe Louis was the heavyweight champion. Billy Conn the light heavyweight stand out with Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles emerging as even better light heavyweights. Black Murderers Row had about 7 or 8 great contenders with Charley Burley leading the way. Marcel Cerdan, Jake Lamotta, Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano were all top middleweights. Sugar Ray Robinson was the best welterweight and fighter of the decade. Kid Gavilan was a top contender. Ike Williams was the best lightweight of the decade with Beau Jack , Sammy Angott and Bob Montgomery being almost as great. Willie Pep had a great decade, as did emerging Sandy Saddler at featherweight. Manuel Ortiz was a HOF bantamweight. There is NO decade greater or better than the 1940s."
                Certainly holds merit.

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                  #228
                  [QUOTE=Bundana;n31702582]

                  Even without the participation of eastern block countries, there were more active pro boxers in the late 20s/early 30s, than at any other time during the gloved history of boxing.

                  The annual "body count" culminated from '28 to '33. These 6 years are the only ones, where BoxRec's database shows more active pros than today!

                  From the late 30's a drastic decline started, which lasted for more than 50 years - until the numbers started to gradually pick up in the '90s. Slowly at first, but then faster and faster - until we are now not much behind the '28 to '33 numbers.

                  Total Bouts in the BoxRec Database: By Decade - Page 4 - BoxRec​ (see 19 May 2019 post)

                  For annual number of fights, see 15 May 2020 post.



                  Numbers are strongly determinate. We agree.
                  For anyone not following your assertion, look at two scools. School 1 boasts 10,000 in the student body. School 2 only 500. In building a roster of, say, a basketball team, which school has the advantage?
                  Next, the other factors are weighed. The deviation you refer to. If Era 1 holds a 5% active fighter advantage over Era 2, but quality trainers are available more plentifully to lower roster era 2 by a factor of x2, how is is this impact calculated? Likely, by the net higher training quality of the smaller sample group. And so it goes. Tip of the iceberg.


                  Your suggestion is a way to ****genize the playing field in order to compare eras. But it is a more complex errand of data collection and analysis than when you began the concept; a bright, well liked poster like you will agree. But the concept is well begun, though the parsing of the impact of such data will invariably segue into tangentially related concepts, such as international spread, cultural models, nutrition, style evolution, financial incentification, etc. All part of the analytics piece.
                  You have posted that "Since The Wall came down, the annual count of active pro boxers has gone up dramatically", which we see at Boxrec. Instructive to note that in the same timeframe the international amateur program has undergone a converse trajectory as state sponsorship has fallen, yielding not more coached fighters active 1940-1976 forward, but a higher percent getting paid to do it after the age of consent.

                  Just letting know know I read your posts.
                  One of my favorite posters.
                  I hope a can provide boxing sense on occasion for you as well here.​

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                    #229
                    Originally posted by TuPrincipe
                    He was intimidating to every opponent he faced. He had so much power that he could hurt your shoulders with one single punch.

                    Love him or hate him he's undefeated and one of the best fighters of all time. Sure he was reckless and didn't appear to have much skill, but he was 185 pounds fighting against guys that outweighed him by at least 15 pounds. That is pretty incredible when you think about it.
                    Ivich says he lacks one punch power. He doesn't know much about boxing.

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                      #230
                      Originally posted by Bundana

                      If this is true, then we must conclude, that the 2010s is the decade with the best boxers since WW2!
                      its not true though. So we can leave it at that

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