Rocky Marciano is very overrated IMO

[ShoulderRoll]

they are important, Bundanas number crunchings are good points, just points among many. they don't paint the entire picture.

When you judge a decade for greatness the first thing you should look at is the quality of great fighters and the second thing is how many of them there were.

The world rankings are farther down the list. And world rankings wouldn't have made Sugar Ray Robinson or Willie Pep any less great.

That's just my opinion, of course.

[them_apples]

When you judge a decade for greatness the first thing you should look at is the quality of great fighters and the second thing is how many of them there were.

The world rankings are farther down the list. And world rankings wouldn't have made Sugar Ray Robinson or Willie Pep any less great.

That's just my opinion, of course.

Indeed, but what would cause the quality of fighters to improve? Many factors. One factor is the pool of competition and sport popularity.

[Ivich]

this isn't true at all. In fact even japan capitulating had a lot to do with Russia.

The British had a better standing army than the US. so did Germany, once USA ramped up production they started doing better and gaining experience. when America hit european soil they were battle ******* in comparison to British/German troops. This is common sense and is also how things played out.

The US did come along at the right time and also had an incredible resource pool to draw from, much like Russia and even better because they are unassailable in a land attack and able to build a massive navy like Britain could being a smaller Island.

If America didn't come along Russia would have ruled europe, is the real reason. Russia was allies but only last minute, they were real close to being Allies with German, and sort of were at one point. the battle logistics show Russia half stepping even as the war was already turning, almost deciding who to take sides with.

The US did not want to enter the war Pearl Harbour forced them into it,but sooner or later they would have had to deal with Germany.Japan capitulated because two Atomic bombs were dropped on its mainland. The US remains the only nation to have ever used such a weapon against another country.USA's manpower was obviously important but more important were its resources. Russia was by that time largely dependent on supplies from the West.Russia signed a non-aggression pact with Germany which Hitler reneged on,but that doesnt mean they were ever allies or ever would be.Hitler always intended to invade Russia,he wanted the land,he wanted the oil and he could not afford to march westwards forever and leave Russia strong behind him,even if it meant fighting on two major fronts.

[them_apples]

Agree with almost all of it especially the last paragraph.

There is a WWII cliché on how we won the war --> British inellengence, American steel, and Russian blood.

So I agree with your assement, but there is one remark that is IMO hyperbole.

I don't agree with the term "******." Many of the troops that hit the beaches at Normandy had battle experience in North Africa, Sicily, and Southern Italy.

In the film Saving Private Ryan, at the end of the opening scence we see one of the sargents fill up an emply film can with dirt from the beach. He places it into his backpack with other cans labeled North Africa and Italy (or something to that effect.) Spielberg was telling us this was this guy's third damn invasion. He was no combat ******.

P.S. I want to add regarding your last paragraph. At the end an American general commented to Stalin: "Well you made it to Berlin." -- Stalin replied: "Peter the Great made it to Paris.

Certainly any territory Russia "liberated" they were going to keep and that meant all of Western Europe if we hadn't started driving eastward from Normandy in 1944.

Totally 💯

[shawnkemp804]

He was intimidating to every opponent he faced. He had so much power that he could hurt your shoulders with one single punch.

Love him or hate him he's undefeated and one of the best fighters of all time. Sure he was reckless and didn't appear to have much skill, but he was 185 pounds fighting against guys that outweighed him by at least 15 pounds. That is pretty incredible when you think about it.

Lol right but he wasn't one of the best fighters of all time. He was a mediocre fighter who was controlled by the mob. His career was basically him fighting old men, mob controlled fighters and tomato cans. Also most of the fighters he faced weren't 15 pounds heavier than him but I know how much you Marciano fanboys love to lie about him.

[shawnkemp804]

Marciano was by far the most overrated athlete in sports history regardless of the sport. Marciano was a F level fighter. His little fanboys exaggerate and act like this guy is some kind of God. They will give you this "Every time Marciano hit you he hurt you". Lol so why couldn't he hurt or stop the 170 pound Ted Lowry even though they fought twice? They will act like nobody could hurt him. Which is funny since the natural 160/170 pound Archie Moore and the natural 180/190 pound Jersey Joe Walcott both dropped Marciano with 1 punch. ( I should also remind you these guys were pushing 40). Ted Lowry a natural 170 pound guy with a career record of 70 and 68 beat Marciano from pillar to post and could of stopped him when he wanted according to people ring side. Marciano fanboys will never tell you that. They will also never tell you that Roland LaStarza also beat him and got robbed.

Rocky Marciano fanboys will lie and tell you that even "Ali" said Marciano was the best fighter in boxing history. In realize Ali stated Marciano was a 180 pound fighter who could never beat him. After Marciano died Ali just said Marciano could of been a tough opponent out of respect for a dead man. But Marciano's fanboys will use this is justification to how great he is.


Rocky Marciano fanboys are so delusional that they can't grasp that 180 pounds is a heavyweight by modern standards. Even a low level fighter like Eric "Butterbean" Esch would destroy Marciano. Even if you are talking about 180 pound fighters Marciano still wouldn't be a the top 1000. Marciano was just a mob controlled fighter who fought set-ups, old men, and tomato cans but his sad little fanboys can't stop talking about him.

[Ivich]

Marciano was by far the most overrated athlete in sports history regardless of the sport. Marciano was a F level fighter. His little fanboys exaggerate and act like this guy is some kind of God. They will give you this "Every time Marciano hit you he hurt you". Lol so why wouldn't he hurt or stop the 170 pound Ted Lowry even though they fought twice? They will act like nobody could hurt him. Which is funny since the natural 160/170 pound Archie Moore and the natural 180/190 pound Jersey Joe Walcott both dropped Marciano with 1 punch. ( I should also remind you these guys were pushing 40). Ted Lowry a natural 170 pound guy with a career record of 70 and 68 beat Marciano from pillar to post and could of stopped him when he wanted according to people ring side. Marciano fanboys will never tell you that. They will also never tell you that Roland LaStarza also beat him and got robbed.

Rocky Marciano fanboys will lie and tell you that even "Ali" said Marciano was the best fighter in boxing history. In realize Ali stated Marciano was a 180 pound fighter who could never beat him. After Marciano died Ali just said Marciano could of been a tough opponent out of respect for a dead man. But Marciano's fanboys will use this is justification to how great he is.


Rocky Marciano fanboys are so delusional that they can't grasp that 180 pounds is a heavyweight by modern standards. Even a low level fighter like Eric "Butterbean" Esch would destroy Marciano. Even if you are talking about 180 pound fighters Marciano still wouldn't be a the top 1000. Marciano was just a mob controlled fighter who fought set-ups, old men, and tomato cans but his sad little fanboys can't stop talking about him.

Ouch!

[shawnkemp804]

yes. he is very overrated. he is not even a heavyweight. he is a 185 pound cruiserweight. any good 200+ pound fighter in their prime would crush him!

Lol the sad thing is his little delusional fanboys can't grasp this. Marciano isn't a heavyweight by modern standards. Marciano didn't fight any modern sized heavyweights. But let's go further. Any half way decent modern cruiser weight would crush Marciano.

[Ivich]

- - Would disagree with all of that.

What specifically do you disagree with?
That Marciano was court martialed imprisoned and subsequently dishonourably discharged for, being absent without leave, and beating up and robbing a gay UK civilian?
It's all in Gene Stanton's book" Undefeated ,"along with mugshots of Marciano in prison.
That the Allies would have lost the war without America's forced intervention? How is this even deniable?
That US troops encountered much stiffer opposition ,and suffered much heavier casualties during D Day than did the Brits?This is undisputable.
Apart from your usual knee jerk negative reaction
What exactly are your objections to my post?

[QueensburyRules]

What specifically do you disagree with?
That Marciano was court martialed imprisoned and subsequently dishonourably discharged for, being absent without leave, and beating up and robbing a gay UK civilian?
It's all in Gene Stanton's book" Undefeated ,"along with mugshots of Marciano in prison.
That the Allies would have lost the war without America's forced intervention? How is this even deniable?
That US troops encountered much stiffer opposition ,and suffered much heavier casualties during D Day than did the Brits?This is undisputable.
Apart from your usual knee jerk negative reaction
What exactly are your objections to my post?

- - I already knew about the gay incident, but he ended up stateside where he took up boxing to win the Army Heavy Title while being decommissioned in DC.

You always act as though nobody but your eminence knows anything, but your story somehow got butchered somewhere along the line because it don't add up.