Who had better boxing fundamentals Muhammad Ali or Roy Jones jr

[IMDAZED]

Do me a favor please, post a video of Roy consistently using good fundamentals for an entire fight. You can't because there isn't one. And you're talking about his punch resistance being gone....who's to say he ever had good punch resistance to begin with? In my opinion if it wasn't for his ungodly speed and reflexes he would have gotten laid out long before he did because as great of a fighter as he was he depended on natural ability instead of learned skills.

It really isn't possible to go 15 years through four divisions, win titles in all of them, fight 50 times and not get your chin tested. If that is indeed the case, then Roy Jones Jr is the greatest defensive fighter that ever lived, "good fundamentals" or not.

[Sugarj]

It'd be a good idea to go through his earlier fights and put together a highlight reel of him taking shots (sparing ourselves the later examples) to dispel this myth then. I'll look into it. . . . . . . I'd much rather believe that his punch resistance went over him always having a glass chin.

There is a good you Tube video that does just this. It shouldn't be hard to find.

Sorry already previously posted!!

[SCtrojansbaby]

Watch the Castro fight Roy plays it relatively safe and uses his jab. That is probable his most "textbook" fight.

[IMDAZED]

Watch the Castro fight Roy plays it relatively safe and uses his jab. That is probable his most "textbook" fight.

Or the Ruiz bout.

[joseph5620]

Or the Ruiz bout.

The Pazienza fight too. Jones used a sharp and consistent jab in that fight.

[fight_professor]

p4p who do you think is greater?

[SCtrojansbaby]

p4p who do you think is greater?

They are my top 2 Roy was more dominant and consistent while Ali had more depth.

[THE REED]

It really isn't possible to go 15 years through four divisions, win titles in all of them, fight 50 times and not get your chin tested. If that is indeed the case, then Roy Jones Jr is the greatest defensive fighter that ever lived, "good fundamentals" or not.

I don't think Jab can unbiasely look at a Roy fight and see the what you are talking about... He's physically older than me but I don't think he watched the sport as early as I did... in that case it's harder for him to see what we're talking about..

[JAB5239]

It really isn't possible to go 15 years through four divisions, win titles in all of them, fight 50 times and not get your chin tested. If that is indeed the case, then Roy Jones Jr is the greatest defensive fighter that ever lived, "good fundamentals" or not.

I don't think Jab can unbiasely look at a Roy fight and see the what you are talking about... He's physically older than me but I don't think he watched the sport as early as I did... in that case it's harder for him to see what we're talking about..

Considering I watched Ali-Frazier 3 with my father I think I've been watching boxing plenty long enough to understand the sport and draw logical assumptions. But that is neither here nor there. I never said Roy's chin wasn't tested, every fighters chin gets tested. Im also not saying Roy had a glass chin. But when his reflexes diminished he had a hard time taking a good punch and recovering. Can ANYONE say as a fact that if he never had those reflexes he wouldn't have been stopped sooner in his career? My basis for that is he wasn't a solid fundamental fighter. And had he not had those super human reflexes he would have been getting hit much more and much harder fighting the way he did.

[SplitSecond]

Considering I watched Ali-Frazier 3 with my father I think I've been watching boxing plenty long enough to understand the sport and draw logical assumptions. But that is neither here nor there. I never said Roy's chin wasn't tested, every fighters chin gets tested. Im also not saying Roy had a glass chin. But when his reflexes diminished he had a hard time taking a good punch and recovering. Can ANYONE say as a fact that if he never had those reflexes he wouldn't have been stopped sooner in his career? My basis for that is he wasn't a solid fundamental fighter. And had he not had those super human reflexes he would have been getting hit much more and much harder fighting the way he did.

i can say if you watched roy jones enough you'd know it was his legs and not his reflexes that were first to go

that's why he gets clocked behind the ear with the right hand, he still has the reflex to turn his head the right direction, but no legs to move him back the way he did in his prime