Who had better boxing fundamentals Muhammad Ali or Roy Jones jr

[JAB5239]

i can say if you watched roy jones enough you'd know it was his legs and not his reflexes that were first to go

that's why he gets clocked behind the ear with the right hand, he still has the reflex to turn his head the right direction, but no legs to move him back the way he did in his prime

And I can say legs are directly affected by reflexes. Either way, if Roy didn't have the natural gifts he did it is very plausible he would have gotten stopped earlier in his career.

[SplitSecond]

And I can say legs are directly affected by reflexes. Either way, if Roy didn't have the natural gifts he did it is very plausible he would have gotten stopped earlier in his career.

@thebold, what :browraise:?

and ali would have been stopped earlier in his career too if he didn't have his natural gifts

[JAB5239]

@thebold, what :browraise:?

and ali would have been stopped earlier in his career too if he didn't have his natural gifts

Reflexes are directly responsable for movement, no? And Ali had a proven chin when his reflexes were shot, Roy doesn't. Bad example my friend. Im not putting Jones down. At his best he was great, a freak of nature prodigy. But when he lost has natural gifts he had little to fall back on.

[SplitSecond]

Reflexes are directly responsable for movement, no? And Ali had a proven chin when his reflexes were shot, Roy doesn't. Bad example my friend. Im not putting Jones down. At his best he was great, a freak of nature prodigy. But when he lost has natural gifts he had little to fall back on.

lol you didn't get it? an iron chin would be considered a natural gift

and no reflexes are not responsable for movement
look at toney, he still a great counterpuncher, wanna know why? because he's not using his legs, the first thing to go in a fighter

watch roy in the lebedev fight where he shows some fast counter hooks and rights
or the lacy fight when he is on the ropes making lacy look the fool

his problem is when someone rushes him and makes him use his legs, he can't step back like he used to

[JAB5239]

lol you didn't get it? an iron chin would be considered a natural gift

and no reflexes are not responsable for movement
look at toney, he still a great counterpuncher, wanna know why? because he's not using his legs, the first thing to go in a fighter

watch roy in the lebedev fight where he shows some fast counter hooks and rights
or the lacy fight when he is on the ropes making lacy look the fool

his problem is when someone rushes him and makes him use his legs, he can't step back like he used to

Ok an iron chin is a natural gift..and Roy didn't have one. Lol, reflexes aren't responsible for movement? What is? And Toney is still good because of his great fundementals. Roy looked good against Lebedev because he is wide open and crude.

[IronDanHamza]

Ok an iron chin is a natural gift..and Roy didn't have one. Lol, reflexes aren't responsible for movement? What is? And Toney is still good because of his great fundementals. Roy looked good against Lebedev because he is wide open and crude.

I'd say Toney's style often relies on reflexes also.

I think it's fair to argue that Roy Jones' chin was never tested. You don't go from Middleweight to Heavyweight winning World Titles beating certifed ATG's without getting your chin tested.

[JAB5239]

I'd say Toney's style often relies on reflexes also.

I think it's fair to argue that Roy Jones' chin was never tested. You don't go from Middleweight to Heavyweight winning World Titles beating certifed ATG's without getting your chin tested.

I don't think anyone would argue Toney's reflexes aren't what they use to be either. He get's by on superior technique and timing though, as well as a great chin.

[SplitSecond]

Ok an iron chin is a natural gift..and Roy didn't have one. Lol, reflexes aren't responsible for movement? What is? And Toney is still good because of his great fundementals. Roy looked good against Lebedev because he is wide open and crude.

obviously you know something we dont, so why dont you just spit it out and say why you think reflexes is directly related to a fighters legs?

and toney is fundemental? the philly shell is fundemental? i always thought the fundemental guard would be both hands up, not virtually the same stance as roy "no fundementals" jones jnr, but i suppose you're gonna say how toney jabs
toney is still good because he doesn't need legs for his style, shoulder roll is just that, shoulder roll

and you're not comprehending, i never said roy looked good vs lebedev, we aren't gauging the performances, i was explaining how roy's reaction time is still fairly sharp, but then look at his leaping left hooks and how fast he can jump back(something i noticed leading up to the danny green fight), it's all very slow

oh and a great example of great chin(not saying roy's chin was great) to china chin is chuck liddell

[Miburo]

Ali because he had a great jab which he always worked off of.

[RubenSonny]

When any fighters legs go, they usually have little left.