Is this heavyweight climate the worst in history?

[davros2010]

If wlad and Vitali fght one of them would lose and then he would be no1. Its a shame there brothers the division is in a terrible state as it is but a trilogy between those 2 would have at least given the division some life. Most of the young fighters are not really that good. I just hope someone like Michael Hunter jr can be good when he turns pro.

[Marchegiano]

yes, it is the worst era of all time. **** you Marciano hatin' *****s. During his era you'll find the ***** with the most KO's, the ***** who held the belt the longest, and the undefeated *****. Telling how old they were doesn't negate anything I just said. Because those record still stand, and those figures were active together you have a period in time no boxer has come close to achieving . Every year their records stay strong their stock goes up. They did something your boy can't. It doesn't matter who the **** your boy is 'cause they ain't breaking those records no time soon. As great as Ali was, He was not so much better then his competition that he could go undefeated. Most people look at that as "strong era" I see it as a weak champion. A Strong champion dominates the **** out of the division. No era in boxing had such huge dominant forces then when Moore, Marciano, and Louis were all active. It's not weak. It's great...it's unbeaten to this day........Dealing with the K bros would be scary....I only weigh 168ish.....dealing with Louis and Marciano is god damn terrifying. Rocky's my man because Rocky's who I personally would be most afraid to face. Before anyone claim 180lbs ain't scary I agree there.....cracking skulls, haemorrhaging brains, punching 1000 lbs concrete cylinders and moving them a foot. over 25 opponents retiring with in 5 fights after facing him of those a good 17 reported admission the reasoning for retiring being the power Marciano delivered, and lastly to most terrifying piece of knowledge of them all. The Glock report! Rocky hits harder then a gun. He hits harder then a standard issued police side arm. If the bullet was the size of his fist then you'd be receiving a lighter blow then Rocky himself can deliver...wow..Oh yeah and the fact that it take about 80 psi on a knuckle, or roughly half-inch si, to break open a human skull. Rocky is a killer. Don't yall ****ing forget it.

[BKM-2010]

The difference is that a true top fighter in the historical context has a resume to back it up. Maybe you can name some quality wins by Arreola, Solis, Gomez, Adamek, or Peter in the heavyweight division. Vitali's best win is over a fighter that lost to Chad Dawson. That speaks for itself.

You can check their records out for yourself. I expect you to brush off any other names since whoever seems to be on their resume isn't a good fighter to you.
Other good wins by Vitali was Sanders was a dangerous fighter, Larry Donald although past it was stopped for the first and only time against Vitali. Hide was alright. Adamek is not his best win.

There have been multiple titles and claimants since the 1910's, but there is a certain lineage which determines who the true champion. Im not sure if Wlad has met all the requirements to be called a lineal champion yet, but he holds the majority of titles, has the better wins and is seen by experts as the more talented fighter. Seems Im not the only one riding that train of thought.

And if you can't see how a champion and his most threatening challenger not fighting weakens a division than I don't know what to tell you. I understand it under these circumstances, but it blurs the line on who is actually champion for some less knowledgeable fans.

Oh, and beating top fighters doesn't mean you're beating good fighters.

Yes there have been multiple titles for a long time but not sifnificant enough untill the last 2 or 3 decades or so. A guy had to unify or do something as significant to be the "true heavyweight champion". I remember a period where Ruiz, Bird and Rahman etc were all holding titles and it wasn't clear who the top guy was. Point is, Wladimir is not considered to be the only heavyweight champion, otherwise I'd like to see some proof of that claim.

And really a champion not fighting a #1 contender doesn't weaken this devision. It will do nothing for the devision if Vitali and Wlad fought eachother except produce mega fights. They could start defeating eachother but this does not do ANYTHING for everybody else in the devision. They will all get picked apart by either Klitschko. A fight between the KLitschkos does nothing for them.

[joseph5620]

You can check their records out for yourself. I expect you to brush off any other names since whoever seems to be on their resume isn't a good fighter to you.
Other good wins by Vitali was Sanders was a dangerous fighter, Larry Donald although past it was stopped for the first and only time against Vitali. Hide was alright. Adamek is not his best win.



Yes there have been multiple titles for a long time but not sifnificant enough untill the last 2 or 3 decades or so. A guy had to unify or do something as significant to be the "true heavyweight champion". I remember a period where Ruiz, Bird and Rahman etc were all holding titles and it wasn't clear who the top guy was. Point is, Wladimir is not considered to be the only heavyweight champion, otherwise I'd like to see some proof of that claim.

And really a champion not fighting a #1 contender doesn't weaken this devision. It will do nothing for the devision if Vitali and Wlad fought eachother except produce mega fights. They could start defeating eachother but this does not do ANYTHING for everybody else in the devision. They will all get picked apart by either Klitschko. A fight between the KLitschkos does nothing for them.

I don't have to check it. I already know they all have weak heavyweight resumes. You're the one who listed them as impressive opponents. So it's up to you to provide anything that supports that.


Sanders has one win over a top 10 heavyweight in his entire career. If Adamek was not Vitali's best win, what was? You're making the statements. Why not back them up?



If I'm just "brushing off these fighters" prove me wrong. What did they do and who did they beat in the heavyweight division that matters?

[catskills23]

The heavyweight divsion is a comedy . I mean I found it hard enough explaining to my friend that there could be five heavyweight champions, as they were five heavyweight titles . But when I told him the other day that now you could have two heavyweight champions holding the same belt at the same time . He said in all seriousness " well does that mean if Povetkin loses his belt that Wlad loses it aswell" . I nearly fell of the chair I laughed so hard. I mean how can you expect anyone to watch boxing when you have this sort of nonsense . I mean could you imagine having a world cup where you would have five winners of the world cup, all calling themselves the best soccer team in the world . I mean the soccer fans wouldnt put up with it, so why do boxing fans put up with it?.

[The_Demon]

The fact that David Haye is still the biggest draw in the division says a lot in my opinion,there simply isnt the buzz about the heavies that their used too be,and its easy too see why

[JAB5239]

You can check their records out for yourself. I expect you to brush off any other names since whoever seems to be on their resume isn't a good fighter to you.
Other good wins by Vitali was Sanders was a dangerous fighter, Larry Donald although past it was stopped for the first and only time against Vitali. Hide was alright. Adamek is not his best win.



Yes there have been multiple titles for a long time but not sifnificant enough untill the last 2 or 3 decades or so. A guy had to unify or do something as significant to be the "true heavyweight champion". I remember a period where Ruiz, Bird and Rahman etc were all holding titles and it wasn't clear who the top guy was. Point is, Wladimir is not considered to be the only heavyweight champion, otherwise I'd like to see some proof of that claim.

And really a champion not fighting a #1 contender doesn't weaken this devision. It will do nothing for the devision if Vitali and Wlad fought eachother except produce mega fights. They could start defeating eachother but this does not do ANYTHING for everybody else in the devision. They will all get picked apart by either Klitschko. A fight between the KLitschkos does nothing for them.

Ridiculous! A fight between the two best fighters in any clears the air between who is the best fighter. Like i said, this isn't tag team wrestling, there can only be one world champion and it seems everyone here agree about that except you. The division stinks and its only looking to get worse.

[BKM-2010]

I don't have to check it. I already know they all have weak heavyweight resumes. You're the one who listed them as impressive opponents. So it's up to you to provide anything that supports that.


Sanders has one win over a top 10 heavyweight in his entire career. If Adamek was not Vitali's best win, what was? You're making the statements. Why not back them up?



If I'm just "brushing off these fighters" prove me wrong. What did they do and who did they beat in the heavyweight division that matters?

Wait, so you already know all of their records and you think they're weak, yet you still want me to go and do all that work and post everything for you, even though you already flat out admitted that you think they're all weak? I won't even waste my time then since you've made it clear that you refuse to acknowledge anything.

[BKM-2010]

Ridiculous! A fight between the two best fighters in any clears the air between who is the best fighter. Like i said, this isn't tag team wrestling, there can only be one world champion and it seems everyone here agree about that except you. The division stinks and its only looking to get worse.

Excuse me, you said it weakens the devision. You still fail to explain how if the Klitschkos were to fight eachother, it would make the devision stronger.

If they fought eachother the other heavyweights aren't magically going to get better. The devision indeed sucks but no big fight between the brothers would do anything to change that except "clear the air". Plus both guys have very diffirent styles and attributes, I wouldn't neccecarily say the winner of this matchup is clearly the better guy because like you said Wladimir has the better resume but imo he'd lose to his older brother.

[joseph5620]

Wait, so you already know all of their records and you think they're weak, yet you still want me to go and do all that work and post everything for you, even though you already flat out admitted that you think they're all weak? I won't even waste my time then since you've made it clear that you refuse to acknowledge anything.

No, I simply asked you to explain why you believe they were impressive opponents on Vitali's resume. I already know they are not. It doesn't require "work" and it's very simple to figure out. If you don't have an answer for your claims, say so. Instead of blowing it up into something it's not like you always do when you have no answers.