Is this heavyweight climate the worst in history?

[JAB5239]

Most eras have a dominant champion. Most of them aren''t that competitive like in the 70s and 90s. Today we have not 1 but 2 dominant champions. Good enough for me.

Sorry but there is no such thing as two champions, only one can be the best. So we're left with a champion and one legitimate contender, but they'll never fight each other. Wonderful!! As far as the rest of the division goes.....we have a former light heavyweight who is tough and has heart, but meager talent. We had a former cruiser weight who had talent but no heart. We have Wlad fighting ANOTHER cruiser weight who has never beaten a top heavyweight. His brother wanting to fight the guys his Wlad just beat and who was scared to throw punches and ran for his life. A couple of guys who are being hyped but have limited experience and a bunch of slobs unwilling to face each other so as they don't mess up a possible future payday. Don't fret though. This is the worst ever heavyweight era, but as soon as the Klits are gone it will be quickly replaced. Vitaly doesn't fight anybody good and Wlad is boring as hell, but they do have talent. When they go the heavyweight landscape can only get bleaker.

[BKM-2010]

Sorry but there is no such thing as two champions, only one can be the best. So we're left with a champion and one legitimate contender, but they'll never fight each other. Wonderful!! As far as the rest of the division goes.....we have a former light heavyweight who is tough and has heart, but meager talent. We had a former cruiser weight who had talent but no heart. We have Wlad fighting ANOTHER cruiser weight who has never beaten a top heavyweight. His brother wanting to fight the guys his Wlad just beat and who was scared to throw punches and ran for his life. A couple of guys who are being hyped but have limited experience and a bunch of slobs unwilling to face each other so as they don't mess up a possible future payday. Don't fret though. This is the worst ever heavyweight era, but as soon as the Klits are gone it will be quickly replaced. Vitaly doesn't fight anybody good and Wlad is boring as hell, but they do have talent. When they go the heavyweight landscape can only get bleaker.

Well then open your eyes because right now we have TWO champions and they are both the best. Diffirent times. This is not 1988 anymore, this is how Boxing is nowadays. And yeah, I agree that once they are gone it will most likely be the worst era ever without a doubt. Unless somebody else comes along which is always possible. One thing about heavyweight eras though is that there is always a passing of the torch at some point.

As far as the rest of what you said, I already know that you don't like the Klits and I don't expect you to admit there are talented fighters now so I won't even bother to try and change your mind.

[BKM-2010]

Good for you...atleast its good enough for someone...two dominant champs who never fights each other.

Most people I've spoken to wouldn't want to see two brothers who are close fight eachother in a proffessional prize fight.

[JAB5239]

Well then open your eyes because right now we have TWO champions and they are both the best. Diffirent times. This is not 1988 anymore, this is how Boxing is nowadays. And yeah, I agree that once they are gone it will most likely be the worst era ever without a doubt. Unless somebody else comes along which is always possible. One thing about heavyweight eras though is that there is always a passing of the torch at some point.

As far as the rest of what you said, I already know that you don't like the Klits and I don't expect you to admit there are talented fighters now so I won't even bother to try and change your mind.

Sorry son but a title doesn't make you a champion and the times are irrelevant. One person can only be the heavyweight champion, there is no tag team. Wlad is the champ, thats it. Vitaly is the #1 contender. Because they won't fight, which is understandable, it weakens the division. This happens ANYTIME a champion and the best contender don't fight going back to Johnson-Langford and Dempsey-Wills. The rest of the division is rubbish.

As far as me supposedly not liking the Klits....I like them fine. They're both good people and are good fighters. But the fact is that Wlad is boring in mine and the opinions of many others, and he's been afraid to mix it up since his knockout losses even though he almost always has every conceivable advantage over his opponents. I like watching Vitaly but he is WAY over rated considering his comp. If you or anyone else would like to argue these facts with me than feel free. None of this makes me a hater, it makes me a realist.

[BKM-2010]

Sorry son but a title doesn't make you a champion and the times are irrelevant. One person can only be the heavyweight champion, there is no tag team. Wlad is the champ, thats it. Vitaly is the #1 contender. Because they won't fight, which is understandable, it weakens the division. This happens ANYTIME a champion and the best contender don't fight going back to Johnson-Langford and Dempsey-Wills. The rest of the division is rubbish.

As far as me supposedly not liking the Klits....I like them fine. They're both good people and are good fighters. But the fact is that Wlad is boring in mine and the opinions of many others, and he's been afraid to mix it up since his knockout losses even though he almost always has every conceivable advantage over his opponents. I like watching Vitaly but he is WAY over rated considering his comp. If you or anyone else would like to argue these facts with me than feel free. None of this makes me a hater, it makes me a realist.

You're alone in that train of thought and it isn't based on facts. Yes we used to have one heavyweight champions but now there can be several. People are mixed in opinions on who's number 1 between Wlad and Vitali. They have both beaten top contenders for several years now and def titles, the only way to find out who is better is if they fight. But they won't, so they are the 2 champions of this era. It's a very special time and I don't think we'll ever see this again in the sport. I don't see how them not fighting eachother weakens the devision? I think

Vitali has beaten plenty of top fighters. Ranked high and in their prime. Peter, Arreola, Gomez, Solis, Adamek etc. You just think they're all bums but that's your opinion. Hopefully in the next few years young up and comers like Badr Hari can make the devision stronger.

[joseph5620]

You're alone in that train of thought and it isn't based on facts. Yes we used to have one heavyweight champions but now there can be several. People are mixed in opinions on who's number 1 between Wlad and Vitali. They have both beaten top contenders for several years now and def titles, the only way to find out who is better is if they fight. But they won't, so they are the 2 champions of this era. It's a very special time and I don't think we'll ever see this again in the sport. I don't see how them not fighting eachother weakens the devision? I think

Vitali has beaten plenty of top fighters. Ranked high and in their prime. Peter, Arreola, Gomez, Solis, Adamek etc. You just think they're all bums but that's your opinion. Hopefully in the next few years young up and comers like Badr Hari can make the devision stronger.

No he isn't and what he said is factual. Historically, nobody is ever going to remember those fighters you mentioned as top heavyweights. Whether you like it or not.

[BKM-2010]

No he isn't and what he said is factual. Nobody is ever going to remember those fighters you mentioned as top heavyweights.

Most younger boxing fans don't remember good fighters from a long time ago who aren't memorable but that doesn't mean they weren't solid competition and at the top in their time.

[joseph5620]

Most younger boxing fans don't remember good fighters from a long time ago who aren't memorable but that doesn't mean they weren't solid competition and at the top in their time.

The difference is that a true top fighter in the historical context has a resume to back it up. Maybe you can name some quality wins by Arreola, Solis, Gomez, Adamek, or Peter in the heavyweight division. Vitali's best win is over a fighter that lost to Chad Dawson. That speaks for itself.

[NChristo]

I don't really get how you can have more then 1 champion and how can 2 people be the 'best' ?, isn't that contradictory of the term ?.

There can only be one person who is the best, the same as there can only be one person who is the champion.

[JAB5239]

You're alone in that train of thought and it isn't based on facts. Yes we used to have one heavyweight champions but now there can be several. People are mixed in opinions on who's number 1 between Wlad and Vitali. They have both beaten top contenders for several years now and def titles, the only way to find out who is better is if they fight. But they won't, so they are the 2 champions of this era. It's a very special time and I don't think we'll ever see this again in the sport. I don't see how them not fighting eachother weakens the devision? I think

Vitali has beaten plenty of top fighters. Ranked high and in their prime. Peter, Arreola, Gomez, Solis, Adamek etc. You just think they're all bums but that's your opinion. Hopefully in the next few years young up and comers like Badr Hari can make the devision stronger.

There have been multiple titles and claimants since the 1910's, but there is a certain lineage which determines who the true champion. Im not sure if Wlad has met all the requirements to be called a lineal champion yet, but he holds the majority of titles, has the better wins and is seen by experts as the more talented fighter. Seems Im not the only one riding that train of thought.

And if you can't see how a champion and his most threatening challenger not fighting weakens a division than I don't know what to tell you. I understand it under these circumstances, but it blurs the line on who is actually champion for some less knowledgeable fans.

Oh, and beating top fighters doesn't mean you're beating good fighters.