Is this heavyweight climate the worst in history?

[joseph5620]

Wrong. Check out the last page I already told you. Sam Peter and Corrie Sanders are his best wins. If you don't even know Vitali Klitschko's best win was against Sam Peter who held the WBC title and had never been stopped before, and this was after YEARS of inactivity for Vitali, and he just dominated him and made him quit, then you obviously don't know much about him or all the current fighters like you claim you do. What has Adamek done at HW besides beating Arreola? A couple wins against ancient guys like Grant and Golota. Or McBride. He was a good win because he's a good fighter, but not the best victory of Vitali's career. Deal with that.



What outrageous claim? The only outrageous claim to me is you saying a fight between the Klitschkos magically makes the whole HW devision better. Haha what are the other heavyweights gonna become more skilled just by watching the two brothers go at it? haha. The only thing that would fix the whole devision is if the whole sport itself starts to clean itself up.

Sam Peter sucks and the fact that you're using his paper title to elevate him to elite status speaks for itself. Vitali supporters like you will drool over his "punching power". But you will never come up with a quality opponent that Peter ever knocked out. I wont even ask you because I know you wont answer that question. And Corrie Sanders beat one top 10 opponent in his entire career and was also stopped by both Hasim Rahman and Nate Tubbs. Yet you want to make him an impressive opponent for Vitali. That's a joke.


Career wise, Ademak will be remembered as a better fighter than Sanders or Peter. Whether you want to accept it or not.

[BKM-2010]

Sam Peter sucks and the fact that you're using his paper title to elevate him to elite status speaks for itself. Vitali supporters like you will drool over his "punching power". But you will never come up with a quality opponent that Peter ever knocked out. I wont even ask you because I know you wont answer that question. And Corrie Sanders beat one top 10 opponent in his entire career and was also stopped by both Hasim Rahman and Nate Tubbs. Yet you want to make him an impressive opponent for Vitali. That's a joke.


Career wise, Ademak will be remembered as a better fighter than Sanders or Peter. Whether you want to accept it or not.

LOL just as I thought. 'he sucks. this guy sucks. they all suck'. I don't know why I even bother with you with a biased attitude like that. Quality opponent that Peter ever KO'd? How about Maskaev who has held several titles in his career I believe. Oh let me guess, He sucks too? hahaha. And what kind of question is that anyway? Why not ask which quality opponents Peter BEAT. Yet for him it would only count if he knocked the opponent out?

Peter had never been stopped before, he had the WBC belt, he has given Wladimir the toughest fight since he lost to Sanders which is a fact. It truly is Vitali's best win because at that time Peter was still good. Nowadays he's finished. Not once did you explain why you think former LHW Adamek is Vitali's best win. So how about explaining that one for me. Is it his win over fossils like Golota and Mcbride? aside from his win over Arreola he has done nothing in the HW devision. You are just using this to discredit Klitschko.

[joseph5620]

LOL just as I thought. 'he sucks. this guy sucks. they all suck'. I don't know why I even bother with you with a biased attitude like that. Quality opponent that Peter ever KO'd? How about Maskaev who has held several titles in his career I believe. Oh let me guess, He sucks too? hahaha. And what kind of question is that anyway? Why not ask which quality opponents Peter BEAT. Yet for him it would only count if he knocked the opponent out?

Peter had never been stopped before, he had the WBC belt, he has given Wladimir the toughest fight since he lost to Sanders which is a fact. It truly is Vitali's best win because at that time Peter was still good. Nowadays he's finished. Not once did you explain why you think former LHW Adamek is Vitali's best win. So how about explaining that one for me. Is it his win over fossils like Golota and Mcbride? aside from his win over Arreola he has done nothing in the HW devision. You are just using this to discredit Klitschko.

Maskaev was a fringe contender at best. Paper titles mean nothing to me. And considering he was 39 years old with five KO losses on his record, I'm not going to get excited about Peter beating him. Peter was badly hurt by Maskaev in that fight too. Peter's biggest win is over a 38 year old fat former middleweight. And he needed a gift decision over Toney in the first fight. Peter was never that good. But you want to conveniently say he was only "good" when he fought the Klitschko's. And I already said that Ademak was not an impressive heavyweight challenger. So thanks for further proving my point. With that said he is still a better fighter than either Peter or Sanders.


Vitali's resume is weak when you discuss it in a historical context. You better get comfortable with that fact because nothing you say will change it. I don't need to discredit Vitali's resume. It does that all by itself.

[JAB5239]

Wrong. Check out the last page I already told you. Sam Peter and Corrie Sanders are his best wins. If you don't even know Vitali Klitschko's best win was against Sam Peter who held the WBC title and had never been stopped before, and this was after YEARS of inactivity for Vitali, and he just dominated him and made him quit, then you obviously don't know much about him or all the current fighters like you claim you do. What has Adamek done at HW besides beating Arreola? A couple wins against ancient guys like Grant and Golota. Or McBride. He was a good win because he's a good fighter, but not the best victory of Vitali's career. Deal with that.



What outrageous claim? The only outrageous claim to me is you saying a fight between the Klitschkos magically makes the whole HW devision better. Haha what are the other heavyweights gonna become more skilled just by watching the two brothers go at it? haha. The only thing that would fix the whole devision is if the whole sport itself starts to clean itself up.

I said it weakens the division when the two best fighters dont fight, not that it magically makes the rest of the division better, so quit making crap up. This is the second time you've made lies up involving me, is this going to become a habbit?

[BKM-2010]

I said it weakens the division when the two best fighters dont fight, not that it magically makes the rest of the division better, so quit making crap up. This is the second time you've made lies up involving me, is this going to become a habbit?

Haha Don't get emotional now. That's how I understood your logic. If they don't fight, the devision weakens. If they do fight, the devision becomes better, right? You still haven't made it clear what you think it does for the devision if the Klitschko brothers fight. Instead of getting mad you could just explain yourself better.

[B][I]Maskaev was a fringe contender at best. Paper titles mean nothing to me.

Maskeav held the WBC belt and before losing to Peter had wins over Samil and Rahman twice so he was not a fringe contender when Peter knocked him out, that's a fact. Paper title? That's the same belt that Ali, Frazier, Tyson had. Haha we should contact the The World Boxing Council to remove this title because they mean nothing to Joseph.

And considering he was 39 years old with five KO losses on his record, I'm not going to get excited about Peter beating him. Peter was badly hurt by Maskaev in that fight too. Peter's biggest win is over a 38 year old fat former middleweight. And he needed a gift decision over Toney in the first fight. Peter was never that good. But you want to conveniently say he was only "good" when he fought the Klitschko's. And I already said that Ademak was not an impressive heavyweight challenger. So thanks for further proving my point. With that said he is still a better fighter than either Peter or Sanders.

Nice job discrediting Peter's career. You can do that to any fighter. You ignore his wins over Toney, him giving Wlad his toughest fight since Sanders. No you're very objective alright.

So I'm still left with no answer on your claim about Adamek so I'll ask you for the third time. What makes Adamek his best win? Why do you think he's so good? Is it his win over McBrice which was right before his title shot? His loss to LHW Chad Dawson?

[joseph5620]

Haha Don't get emotional now. That's how I understood your logic. If they don't fight, the devision weakens. If they do fight, the devision becomes better, right? You still haven't made it clear what you think it does for the devision if the Klitschko brothers fight. Instead of getting mad you could just explain yourself better.



Maskeav held the WBC belt and before losing to Peter had wins over Samil and Rahman twice so he was not a fringe contender when Peter knocked him out, that's a fact. Paper title? That's the same belt that Ali, Frazier, Tyson had. Haha we should contact the The World Boxing Council to remove this title because they mean nothing to Joseph.



Nice job discrediting Peter's career. You can do that to any fighter. You ignore his wins over Toney, him giving Wlad his toughest fight since Sanders. No you're very objective alright.

So I'm still left with no answer on your claim about Adamek so I'll ask you for the third time. What makes Adamek his best win? Why do you think he's so good? Is it his win over McBrice which was right before his title shot? His loss to LHW Chad Dawson?

Wins over Sam and Rahman. Wow, impressive lol. Ali, Tyson, and Frazier all became undisputed champions. The WBC belt didn't define their careers. Obviously you don't know the difference. And they all did it beating better fighters than Sinan Samil Sam and Rahman. It's unfortunate that you don't understand the history of the WBC. Holding only a WBC belt means very little. Even Eric Morales has a meaningless WBC title as well as Julio Cesar Chavez jr. And neither are even close to being the best in their division. But by your logic since Ali and Frazier held the WBC belt, it legitimizes it. That says a lot about your view on this.


As for Peter, everything I said about him is factual.Tell me what I said that wasn't true. "You're just discrediting him" is not a legitimate counter point. Why is Ademak better than Peter? One, he actually shows up for his fights in shape and he can box. He's not getting knocked cold by prospects and Ademak has had success in three different weight classes. Peter has very limited boxing skills and had a very limited amateur background. All he had was clubbing power. He's a limited fighter and it shows.


Peter didn't win more than 3 rounds against Wladimir in the first fight. And that's being generous.

[JAB5239]

Haha Don't get emotional now. That's how I understood your logic. If they don't fight, the devision weakens. If they do fight, the devision becomes better, right? You still haven't made it clear what you think it does for the devision if the Klitschko brothers fight. Instead of getting mad you could just explain yourself better.



Maskeav held the WBC belt and before losing to Peter had wins over Samil and Rahman twice so he was not a fringe contender when Peter knocked him out, that's a fact. Paper title? That's the same belt that Ali, Frazier, Tyson had. Haha we should contact the The World Boxing Council to remove this title because they mean nothing to Joseph.



Nice job discrediting Peter's career. You can do that to any fighter. You ignore his wins over Toney, him giving Wlad his toughest fight since Sanders. No you're very objective alright.

So I'm still left with no answer on your claim about Adamek so I'll ask you for the third time. What makes Adamek his best win? Why do you think he's so good? Is it his win over McBrice which was right before his title shot? His loss to LHW Chad Dawson?

You're the only one who cant understand. Its always better for boxing when the two best fighters fight. Its always better for boxing when there is one unified champion. Man up and take the wager and i will prove how the overwhelming majority see things the same as i do. Lol, its only e-points! And i dont get emotional son, i just point out the facts. And the fact is this is the second time you've been caught lying.

[New England]

What scares me the most about the division is how bleak its future looks.


it's basically void of top level talent.

[DeepSleep]

What scares me the most about the division is how bleak its future looks.


it's basically void of top level talent.

I'm going to gamble that not many people will agree with this but.

In my opinion all the elite american athlete's that are big enough to be heavyweights play football or basketball. The lower weight division guys are too small to make it in the major team sports so boxing still gets most of the talent their.

Now I'm not saying that Lebron James or Brian Orakpo would be awesome boxers because I have no clue. But I sure as hell bet that given the caliber of athlete in the NFL and NBA we would be able to find quite a few who had more talent to work with then Chris Arreola or Eddie Chambers or whoever is the top ranked american heavyweight currently.

[JAB5239]

Wins over Sam and Rahman. Wow, impressive lol. Ali, Tyson, and Frazier all became undisputed champions. The WBC belt didn't define their careers. Obviously you don't know the difference. And they all did it beating better fighters than Sinan Samil Sam and Rahman. It's unfortunate that you don't understand the history of the WBC. Holding only a WBC belt means very little. Even Eric Morales has a meaningless WBC title as well as Julio Cesar Chavez jr. And neither are even close to being the best in their division. But by your logic since Ali and Frazier held the WBC belt, it legitimizes it. That says a lot about your view on this.


As for Peter, everything I said about him is factual.Tell me what I said that wasn't true. "You're just discrediting him" is not a legitimate counter point. Why is Ademak better than Peter? One, he actually shows up for his fights in shape and he can box. He's not getting knocked cold by prospects and Ademak has had success in three different weight classes. Peter has very limited boxing skills and had a very limited amateur background. All he had was clubbing power. He's a limited fighter and it shows.


Peter didn't win more than 3 rounds against Wladimir in the first fight. And that's being generous.

Very good post, right on the money!