RJJ vs Hagler

[StarshipTrooper]

What if you're in early 30's but have experience that you didn't have in your physical prime?

Then you're past-prime. Some fighters don't really have a prime (see Povetkin).

Poet

[SCtrojansbaby]

the fight was a complete bore fest. Neither guy did much - totally uneventfull

who said the fight was exciting? All i said was that roy completely controlled the fight(aka semi-dominated him)

so what about the fighters who never lost at 22, were they never green?

who knows maybe they were prime at 22 and they just couldn't get a fight against a credible opponent or maybe there team kept them fighting nobodies because they were still green. But back to the point hopkins at 28 obviously felt he was ready or else he wouldn't have been in a championship fight

his training camp for the ruiz fight was 6 weeks. The most muscle you can put on per week is 1 lb. At most he put on around 5.5 lbs. Stop with all of this mythology.

On top of that correlation is not the same as causation. Plenty of other fighters have cut weight and not crashed and burned afterwards.

show me 5 guys who lost 20 pounds at 35 years old in their 50th profesional fight

his 2nd best win is a guy who was going life and death with journeyman?

his 2nd best win is against a guy who would go undefeated over the next 12 years you are the only one harping on that one fight.

lol

your stating that like its some kind of fact, when its just your opinion. He never faced any big punchers before tarver, so whose to say he ever had a good chin. The fact that you are missing punchers would suggest the exact opposite.

lmfao del valle, ruiz, sosa and hopkins are all as big if not bigger punchers than tarver.

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[Toney616]

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who said the fight was exciting? All i said was that roy completely controlled the fight(aka semi-dominated him)

Neither guy was willing to really take chances - hence the fact it was boring as hell. For large parts you had two guys standing outside the others punching range and jabbing at the air.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins more impressively imo

who knows maybe they were prime at 22 and they just couldn't get a fight against a credible opponent or maybe there team kept them fighting nobodies because they were still green. But back to the point hopkins at 28 obviously felt he was ready or else he wouldn't have been in a championship fight

You have yet to give me a general definition of what you mean by green, prime and past prime

show me 5 guys who lost 20 pounds at 35 years old in their 50th profesional fight

Jones never lost 20 lbs of muscle, because he never put on 20 lbs of muscle in the first place. He put on around 5.5 lbs of muscle.

his 2nd best win is against a guy who would go undefeated over the next 12 years you are the only one harping on that one fight.

A lot of that had to do with the poor level of opposition he faced. Outside of Tito and Holmes who did he beat worth mentioning?

lmfao del valle, ruiz, sosa and hopkins are all as big if not bigger punchers than tarver.

Who have any of them koed worth mentioning?

[McGoorty]

Its a fighter by fighter basis. But anybody saying Hopkins at 28 in his 24th pro fight and would go undefeated for the next 12 years was green is just being irrational(which seems to happen a lot when discussing Roy)

Roy should of stayed at heavyweight/cruiserweight he probable could of extended his prime another couple of years

24 fights is an apprenticeship to most...... Hopkins always had natural ability...... Cruiserweight,... YES,... HW, no way jose,..... Roy was nowhere near a true HW and would have lost to any of the top HW's..... incidentally Ruiz wasn't a top HW, Willard and Carnera would have made mincemeat out of Ruiz/

[Vadrigar.]

Then you're past-prime. Some fighters don't really have a prime (see Povetkin).

Poet

When do you think was Wladimir's prime?

[McGoorty]

The fight was a complete bore fest. Neither guy did much - totally uneventfull

So what about the fighters who never lost at 22, were they never green?

His training camp for the Ruiz fight was 6 weeks. The most muscle you can put on per week is 1 lb. At most he put on around 5.5 lbs. Stop with all of this mythology.

On top of that correlation is not the same as causation. Plenty of other fighters have cut weight and not crashed and burned afterwards.


His 2nd best win is a guy who was going life and death with journeyman?

lol

Your stating that like its some kind of fact, when its just your opinion.

Yeah, good stuff man, good reply.......... I have been told many times that a great chin is the last thing to go on a fighter along with his power, and the Danny Green punch just glanced of his head....... yep I'd say it was Roy's defensive abilities that kept him out of trouble, but slower reflexes helped to prove that the Jones Chin was no Marciano chin that's for sure.

[SCtrojansbaby]

neither guy was willing to really take chances - hence the fact it was boring as hell. For large parts you had two guys standing outside the others punching range and jabbing at the air.

and roy was winning those rounds when the jabbed at air

jermain taylor beat hopkins more impressively imo

lol a lot of people don't even think taylor beat hopkins

you have yet to give me a general definition of what you mean by green, prime and past prime

there is no definition its a fighter by fighter basis

jones never lost 20 lbs of muscle, because he never put on 20 lbs of muscle in the first place. He put on around 5.5 lbs of muscle.

blah blah he weigh in at 193 against ruiz then came back down to lhw its 18 pounds show me someone who lost 18 pounds successfully at 35 years old in their 50th professional fight.

a lot of that had to do with the poor level of opposition he faced. Outside of tito and holmes who did he beat worth mentioning?

he beat everybody there was to fight at middleweight

who have any of them koed worth mentioning?

prince charles williams, glen johnson, felix trnidad

who has tarver ko'd worth mentioning besides a shot roy jones

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[joseph5620]

Neither guy was willing to really take chances - hence the fact it was boring as hell. For large parts you had two guys standing outside the others punching range and jabbing at the air.

Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins more impressively imo

You have yet to give me a general definition of what you mean by green, prime and past prime

Jones never lost 20 lbs of muscle, because he never put on 20 lbs of muscle in the first place. He put on around 5.5 lbs of muscle.

A lot of that had to do with the poor level of opposition he faced. Outside of Tito and Holmes who did he beat worth mentioning?

Who have any of them koed worth mentioning?

No he didn't. I also find it interesting that you hype John Mugabi's overrated record (with no wins over top fighters) in one post. But question Hopkins competition in another.

[McGoorty]

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SINCE WHEN did Ruiz ever hit Jones,...... why don't we just can that bum Ruiz from further discussion,...... although that fight is as close to a set up as I've seen,... either way it's pathetic. WORST Fight I ever saw.

[StarshipTrooper]

When do you think was Wladimir's prime?

Say from around 2000-2008.....maybe 2009.