RJJ vs Hagler

[SCtrojansbaby]

12 uneventfull rounds is not a dominant performence. See Foreman-Frazier, Liston-Patterson, Toney-Barkely, Hagler-Minter

Give me your definition of green, prime,and past prime not a list of dubious facts.

So after the 2nd best win of his career, where he hardly took any punishment, he becomes completely shot 8 months afterwards?

Like Hagler. If after all those years of ring experince you cant come up with a game plan to deal with Tarver how on earth are you going to find one against Hagler?

You're comparing Roy, post Ruiz, to Ali, post Shavers?
Ali had been in very hard fights with Frazier, Foreman and Norton, what had Jones been in comparable to that?

I called the Hopkins wins semi-dominant meaning Roy was in complete control.

Green is being 22 and losing to C level fighter.... I already told you that

Yeah losing 20 pounds at 35 years old in your 50th professional fight is what makes you shot. And FYI Hopkins is Roy's 2nd best win.

LOL its hard to come up with a gameplan when you lose all the abilities that made you good. Roy has beaten plenty of southpaws in his prime.

Shot is shot whether its from hard fights or losing weight heck it doesn't have to be from anything most guys just lost it when around there mid 30s.

[McGoorty]

I called the Hopkins wins semi-dominant meaning Roy was in complete control.

Green is being 22 and losing to C level fighter.... I already told you that

Yeah losing 20 pounds at 35 years old in your 50th professional fight is what makes you shot. And FYI Hopkins is Roy's 2nd best win.

LOL its hard to come up with a gameplan when you lose all the abilities that made you good. Roy has beaten plenty of southpaws in his prime.

Shot is shot whether its from hard fights or losing weight heck it doesn't have to be from anything most guys just lost it when around there mid 30s.

I don't think age 22 means a fighter has to be green,.... for Les Darcy who didn't see 22, he was seasoned by his 18th birthday......... Green just means inexperienced, has nothing to do with age, but yes going up to HW for one fight at age 35 smacked of hubris,... and the rest of his career was fair punishment for aforesaid hubris......... he wasn't the only fighter to suffer for extreme hubris (I like that word).

[SCtrojansbaby]

I don't think age 22 means a fighter has to be green,.... for Les Darcy who didn't see 22, he was seasoned by his 18th birthday......... Green just means inexperienced, has nothing to do with age, but yes going up to HW for one fight at age 35 smacked of hubris,... and the rest of his career was fair punishment for aforesaid hubris......... he wasn't the only fighter to suffer for extreme hubris (I like that word).

Its a fighter by fighter basis. But anybody saying Hopkins at 28 in his 24th pro fight and would go undefeated for the next 12 years was green is just being irrational(which seems to happen a lot when discussing Roy)

Roy should of stayed at heavyweight/cruiserweight he probable could of extended his prime another couple of years

[StarshipTrooper]

Malinga = B level fighter

C level really. The kind of fighter that's a regular on ESPN's Friday Night Fights.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

I don't think age 22 means a fighter has to be green,.... for Les Darcy who didn't see 22, he was seasoned by his 18th birthday......... Green just means inexperienced, has nothing to do with age, but yes going up to HW for one fight at age 35 smacked of hubris,... and the rest of his career was fair punishment for aforesaid hubris......... he wasn't the only fighter to suffer for extreme hubris (I like that word).

Here's the standard I use:

When you're in your physical prime but haven't gotten the experience to make full use of it yet then you're "green".

When you're in your physical prime and have the experience to go along with it then you're in your "prime".

When your reflexes start to slide then you're "past-prime".

When your reflexes are gone then you're "shot".

There's no set age bracket as it's different for every fighter. The one thing that IS set in stone is that your reflexes WILL start to slide by your early 30s, mid-30s at the very latest. That's just physiological fact.

Poet

[SCtrojansbaby]

C level really. The kind of fighter that's a regular on ESPN's Friday Night Fights.

Poet

C level fighters don't beat Nigel Benn and don't fight Chris Eubank as competitively as Malinga did

[Toney616]

I called the Hopkins wins semi-dominant meaning Roy was in complete control.

The fight was a complete bore fest. Neither guy did much - totally uneventfull

Green is being 22 and losing to C level fighter.... I already told you that

So what about the fighters who never lost at 22, were they never green?

Yeah losing 20 pounds at 35 years old in your 50th professional fight is what makes you shot.

His training camp for the Ruiz fight was 6 weeks. The most muscle you can put on per week is 1 lb. At most he put on around 5.5 lbs. Stop with all of this mythology.

On top of that correlation is not the same as causation. Plenty of other fighters have cut weight and not crashed and burned afterwards.

And FYI Hopkins is Roy's 2nd best win.

His 2nd best win is a guy who was going life and death with journeyman?

LOL its hard to come up with a gameplan when you lose all the abilities that made you good. Roy has beaten plenty of southpaws in his prime.

lol

Shot is shot whether its from hard fights or losing weight heck it doesn't have to be from anything most guys just lost it when around there mid 30s.

Your stating that like its some kind of fact, when its just your opinion.

[StarshipTrooper]

C level fighters don't beat Nigel Benn and don't fight Chris Eubank as competitively as Malinga did

You already got you answer to that Mr. Fan-Boi. Or do you need reading lessons as well as boxing lessons?

Benn was shot when he lost to Malinga.
Eubank was never the same after the Watson II fight, which he was in before he fought Malinga. He almost killed a man and now you expect him to be 100% against Malinga?

Malinga = B level fighter

[Toney616]

C level really. The kind of fighter that's a regular on ESPN's Friday Night Fights.

Poet

But he beat shot Benn? Surely that makes him an elite fighter?

[Vadrigar.]

Here's the standard I use:

When you're in your physical prime but haven't gotten the experience to make full use of it yet then you're "green".

When you're in your physical prime and have the experience to go along with it then you're in your "prime".

When your reflexes start to slide then you're "past-prime".

When your reflexes are gone then you're "shot".

There's no set age bracket as it's different for every fighter. The one thing that IS set in stone is that your reflexes WILL start to slide by your early 30s, mid-30s at the very latest. That's just physiological fact.

Poet

What if you're in early 30's but have experience that you didn't have in your physical prime?