RJJ vs Hagler

[SCtrojansbaby]

My take on this fight

Blueprint fights:
Hagler never faced anyone close to Jones in style, but he did face some really awkward guys like Roldan, Genero and Mugabi and he always found a way to pull of the win.

On the flip side for Jones you could look at the Tarver fights. Tarver was a tall rangy southpaw with an awkward style, Hagler was only around 5'8 but he did have the range. Most of Jones offense comes from his left arm: Triple left hooks, leaping left hooks, leaping left uppercuts. The problem for Jones is that all of these punches are hard to land against a defensive minded Southpaw which is the reason Jones struggled with Tarver*3 and Harding. He wouldnt even really be able to use his counter left over a lazy Hagler right jab, because of Haglers reach advantage. The only punch Hagler would have to look out for is Jones right hand lead.

The McCallum fight is also interesting because McCallums reflexes and defensive skills were good enough even at that stage of his career to cope with Jones' offense. If McCallum could hold his own against Jones at that stage of his career then Haglers defense will also hold up against Jones offense.

Another fight you can look at is the Glen Johnson fight where Johnson fought a very tough agressive fight the same kind of fight Hagler has fought, and got Jones out of there.

At mw Jones was at best a green contender, who had his hands full with green Hopkins, I can't see how he is going to beat a prime atg in the atg's prime weight class.

Hagler ud win imo

LOL at Roy having his hands full with Hopkins it was a semi-dominant 8-4 decision at best a lot of people had it at 9-3 its still to this day the only time Hopkins has been beaten decisively. Also how many green contenders KO Vaca in the 1st round, shut out Castro, and KO ultra durable fighters like Thulani Malinga and Thomas Tate like they are bums this Roy was green at middleweight stuff is just silly.

Oh and why are you picking "blueprint fights" when Roy was shot?

[gatorDelux]

vaca castro malinga and tate are c level fighters....

the are much worse than any of haglers competition....

just cause a guy is rated no1 doesnt mean he is anything

[SCtrojansbaby]

vaca castro malinga and tate are c level fighters....

the are much worse than any of haglers competition....

just cause a guy is rated no1 doesnt mean he is anything

Vaca was coming off 3 wins against legit competition Mark Breland and Quincy Taylor x2. Roy knocked him out in the first round.

Castro was for about 2 years considered one of the top 2 middleweights in the world

Malinga lost a VERY narrow decision to Chris Eubank and would later beat Nigel Benn to become super middleweight champion. Malinga was also considered to have one of the best chins in boxing

Guys who have done what they have done are clearly are not C level fighters Roy just made them look that way because of how great he was.

Yeah Tate is a C level fighter but an extremely durable one who Roy KO'd in the second round which is what makes it notable

Castro is as good as anybody Hagler beat except Hearns and maybe Hamsho

[gatorDelux]

dont just name names and rankings....

that doesnt represent their skill level...

which was sub par at best for wolrd class opposition

[SCtrojansbaby]

dont just name names and rankings....

that doesnt represent their skill level...

which was sub par at best for wolrd class opposition

Guys with sub par skills don't beat Nigel Benn and nearly upset Chris Eubank.

Guys with sub par skill don't go on a run like Castro went on when he beat Reggie Johnson 2x and KO'd John David Jackson in come from behind fight of the year. etc etc etc

Roy made there skill level look sub par.

[gatorDelux]

Guys with sub par skills don't beat Nigel Benn and nearly upset Chris Eubank.

Guys with sub par skill don't go on a run like Castro went on when he beat Reggie Johnson 2x and KO'd John David Jackson in come from behind fight of the year. etc etc etc

Roy made there skill level look sub par.

your confused

[Toney616]

LOL at Roy having his hands full with Hopkins it was a semi-dominant 8-4 decision at best a lot of people had it at 9-3 its still to this day the only time Hopkins has been beaten decisively.

You call Jones win over Hopkins a dominant performance?

Also how many green contenders KO Vaca in the 1st round, shut out Castro, and KO ultra durable fighters like Thulani Malinga and Thomas Tate like they are bums this Roy was green at middleweight stuff is just silly.

What are your definitions for green, prime and past prime fighters?

Oh and why are you picking "blueprint fights" when Roy was shot?

Roy was not shot.

If you look at the Tarver fights you will see that he was never really comfortable with Tarver's style, in fact he gradually got worse with each fight.

Out of interest what is your definition of shot?

[Toney616]

Guys with sub par skills don't beat Nigel Benn and nearly upset Chris Eubank.

Benn was shot when he lost to Malinga.
Eubank was never the same after the Watson II fight, which he was in before he fought Malinga. He almost killed a man and now you expect him to be 100% against Malinga?

Malinga = B level fighter

[SCtrojansbaby]

you call jones win over hopkins a dominant performance?

b-hop was never a threat on the scorecards and never had roy hurt or anything like that. It was a 9-3 decision 8-4 if you give hopkins a close round.

what are your definitions for green, prime and past prime fighters?

green is hagler losing to no-names when he was 22, you're not green when you're 28 years old and go on undefeated for the next 12 years like hopkins did after he fought roy

roy was not shot.

lol every single fight after he came back down from heavyweight he was shot this is common knowledge. Anybody with 2 eyes could see he lost his reflexes the only reason tarver didn't ko him in the first fight was because tarver was over protective he didn't realize he could simply walk right threw roy

if you look at the tarver fights you will see that he was never really comfortable with tarver's style, in fact he gradually got worse with each fight.

tarver is your prototypical tall boxer only thing that makes him unique was he was a southpaw

out of interest what is your definition of shot?

shot is when your skills are diminished examples roy jones after ruiz, ali after shavers, morales after pacquiao 1.

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[Toney616]

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b-hop was never a threat on the scorecards and never had roy hurt or anything like that. It was a 9-3 decision 8-4 if you give hopkins a close round.

12 uneventfull rounds is not a dominant performence. See Foreman-Frazier, Liston-Patterson, Toney-Barkely, Hagler-Minter

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green is hagler losing to no-names when he was 22, you're not green when you're 28 years old and go on undefeated for the next 12 years like hopkins did after he fought roy

Give me your definition of green, prime,and past prime not a list of dubious facts.

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lol every single fight after he came back down from heavyweight he was shot this is common knowledge. Anybody with 2 eyes could see he lost his reflexes the only reason tarver didn't ko him in the first fight was because tarver was over protective he didn't realize he could simply walk right threw roy

So after the 2nd best win of his career, where he hardly took any punishment, he becomes completely shot 8 months afterwards?

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tarver is your prototypical tall boxer only thing that makes him unique was he was a southpaw

Like Hagler. If after all those years of ring experince you cant come up with a game plan to deal with Tarver how on earth are you going to find one against Hagler?

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shot is when your skills are diminished examples roy jones after ruiz, ali after shavers, morales after pacquiao 1.

You're comparing Roy, post Ruiz, to Ali, post Shavers?
Ali had been in very hard fights with Frazier, Foreman and Norton, what had Jones been in comparable to that?