RJJ vs Hagler

[McGoorty]

Roy went straight back against guys bigger than him. Hagler is a small middleweight Roy would jab away and fight at his pace

Roy ate body punches for breakfast and if Hagler failed so miserable to cut off the ring against Leonard what makes you think he could do it to some one equally fast but someone much bigger and stronger.

Hey,... Where can I buy some body punches mate,.... I'm Hungry and I need some Breakfast.

[Toney616]

I think he hates Hopkins.

The fact that you cant name any oppnents proves my point.

If your are having competitive fights with Hopkins, who at best is about 40% of the fighter that Hagler was, then you are going to lose to Hagler imo

[Vadrigar.]

The fact that you cant name any oppnents proves my point.

If your are having competitive fights with Hopkins, who at best is about 40% of the fighter that Hagler was, then you are going to lose to Hagler imo

What are you talking about? I simply think you hate hopkins.

[Toney616]

Yeah, good stuff man, good reply.......... I have been told many times that a great chin is the last thing to go on a fighter along with his power, and the Danny Green punch just glanced of his head....... yep I'd say it was Roy's defensive abilities that kept him out of trouble, but slower reflexes helped to prove that the Jones Chin was no Marciano chin that's for sure.

Thanks

Manny Steward said there have been cases of fighters getting some form of permanent head injury after getting koed twice in a row. In his prime his jaw was never really tested, but even I have to admit his punch resistance crashed after the Johnson ko.

[Toney616]

and roy was winning those rounds when the jabbed at air.

Theres a difference between winning a fight and dominating a fight. I have no problem with the decision for that fight, but it was far from a master class.

lol a lot of people don't even think taylor beat hopkins
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A lot of people need to learn how to score fights. Hopkins basically gave away the first 8 rounds

there is no definition its a fighter by fighter basis
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Yes, there is.

blah blah he weigh in at 193 against ruiz then came back down to lhw its 18 pounds show me someone who lost 18 pounds successfully at 35 years old in their 50th professional fight.
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Come fight night, he had rehydrated back to 185 lbs. If he weighted 193 with clothes on then he was really around 190 lbs. 190-185= 5 lbs, NOT 18 lbs

he beat everybody there was to fight at middleweight
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Which was a barren wasteland

prince charles williams, glen johnson, felix trnidad
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Tito never had a good chin, which is why he got dropped so much in the lower divisions. It should be pointed out that it was a tko, not a ko

The Glen Johnson stoppage was also a tko. Johnson was still on his feet when the fight got stopped.

Who has Charles Williams beat worth mentioning?

[Toney616]

No he didn't.

Taylor won at least 7 of the first 8 rounds, which Hopkins basically gave away. It was Taylor who was the aggressor, had the higher workrate and was giving Hopkins fits with his double jabs, which Hopkins had no answer to.

I also find it interesting that you hype John Mugabi's overrated record (with no wins over top fighters) in one post. But question Hopkins competition in another.

Stop twisting my words. I said that Mugabi could definately ****. I never said anything about his level of opposition.

Why dont you list the top fighters Hopkins beat, before he stepped into the ring with Holmes?

[Toney616]

What are you talking about? I simply think you hate hopkins.

Show me where I have lied or twisted the facts. The dude is vastly overrated

[Vadrigar.]

Show me where I have lied or twisted the facts. The dude is vastly overrated

You said it yourself right there. It's mostly just your own opinion but hate nonetheless.

[joseph5620]

Taylor won at least 7 of the first 8 rounds, which Hopkins basically gave away. It was Taylor who was the aggressor, had the higher workrate and was giving Hopkins fits with his double jabs, which Hopkins had no answer to.


Stop twisting my words. I said that Mugabi could definately ****. I never said anything about his level of opposition.

Why dont you list the top fighters Hopkins beat, before he stepped into the ring with Holmes?

The fact that you put me on ignore whenever I answer your questions says it all for me. You praised Mugabi's 25-0 record as "insane stats" without once mentioning his weak opposition. It's what you didn't say(double standards) that stands out. Hopkins opponents included in his title defenses are more impressive than Mugabi's entire career. Glen Johnson, Antwon Echols, John David jackson, Robert Allen, were all considered "top" fighters (contenders) when Hopkins beat them. Why don't you name any champion in history who fought or beat great fighters or champions every time they fought or defended their belts?




Your hatred for Hopkins is as obvious as your twisted bias against his career. Don't even pretend you're being objective or accurate here. No more than when you implied Hagler ducked Mike McCallum or that Ali was clearly beaten in the second Norton fight.You sound like a rejected old woman when discussing his career.

.......And don't waste your time writing a two page 500 word response because I'm not going to waste time reading the entire post

[Toney616]

You said it yourself right there. It's mostly just your own opinion but hate nonetheless.

??????????
To call someone overrated is not hate. It doesnt even mean the fighter isnt good, it just means they are not as good as everyone think they are.