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  • #51
    Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
    Oscar fought tougher competition than Roy Jones Jr. Then again, so did Oakland Billy Smith.

    We wouldn't argue he has better resume than Roy Jones', would we?

    Loss's don't go onto a resume. If you apply for a job and you don't get it, you don't put that on your resume.

    Oscar fought a better list of fighters but Roy Jones Jr's resume is certainly better than Oscar's.
    Exactly. If that was the case journyman would have the best resume. Resumes should only mean wins, nothing else.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by boxkickboxmma View Post
      Meh, 168 pounds weightclass has only been around since 1984. Also, both men you mentioned are widely considered overrated. Their special "0" says it all.
      Nevertheless they are certain top 10 ATG in their division.

      Hopkins might also be at 160 BTW.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Crisp Jab View Post
        Exactly. If that was the case journyman would have the best resume. Resumes should only mean wins, nothing else.

        I disagree. There are many fights that could have been wins but are losses and vice versa in boxing history. For instance, there is no doubt in my mind DLH beat Trinidad when they fought. Should we just disregard our own personal opinion when trying to judge a very subjective topic? And Im not just talking about Oscar, but many fighters in history.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

          I disagree. There are many fights that could have been wins but are losses and vice versa in boxing history. For instance, there is no doubt in my mind DLH beat Trinidad when they fought. Should we just disregard our own personal opinion when trying to judge a very subjective topic? And Im not just talking about Oscar, but many fighters in history.
          Rare instances where the other fighter clearly won I.e Johnson over Pastrano, Whitaker over Ramierz and Chavez and I guess Oscar over Tito.

          These can be included in a resume.

          However, clear loss's that you included for Oscar, obviously should not count on a resume. Why would they?

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          • #55
            Originally posted by boxkickboxmma View Post
            Lennox Lewis is widely considered to be a top 10 ATG heavyweight by most people. How many fighters in the last decade or two are top 10 ATG in their own weight class?
            By who exactly? It doesn't matter anyway heavyweight division is definitely not the best division and some great fighters campaign at multiple weight classes, Hopkins, Pacquiao, Jones, Mayweather and Holyfield should all be ranked higher than Lennox, and some others too, maybe.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
              Rare instances where the other fighter clearly won I.e Johnson over Pastrano, Whitaker over Ramierz and Chavez and I guess Oscar over Tito.

              These can be included in a resume.

              However, clear loss's that you included for Oscar, obviously should not count on a resume. Why would they?
              Not to mention the questionable decisions he got over Pea, Ike and Sturm.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                I disagree. There are many fights that could have been wins but are losses and vice versa in boxing history. For instance, there is no doubt in my mind DLH beat Trinidad when they fought. Should we just disregard our own personal opinion when trying to judge a very subjective topic? And Im not just talking about Oscar, but many fighters in history.

                This is why you can't rank fighters you haven't seen.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View Post
                  This is why you can't rank fighters you haven't seen.
                  Fair dinkum, you're like a broken record PEPE with that garbage............. so 90 % of the best fighters of all time haven't got film quality up to your standard. So some morons who have Never remotely been an undisputed best in their divisions........ you can count on one hand the undisputed champs since Jones started fighting, don't you understand it's a disgrace, You wouldn't put Greb in your top 1000 fighters of all time, and don't say you do, because HE DOESN'T FIT YOUR CRITERIA,,,,,,,,,,, by your way of thinking,... a bum who's lost 55 fights out of 57 would be better than Harry Greb as long as there's footage of his two victories,..... just sit back for a minute and think about how you're coming across, 2 or 3 posts ago you told me you didn't hate the old timers, maybe you don' ""But you're sounding like a bigot with an axe to grind""". You sound like a bricklayer trying to explain yourself to the Scientists at a Nanotechnology Lecture at Sydney University.

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                  • #59
                    lol if I were to rank the top 1000 fighters Sugar Ray Robinson or who ever else wouldn't be on it because I don't rank them. It doesn't mean I have anybody ranked over him it means I am ranking "modern fighters".

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by RubenSonny View Post
                      By who exactly? It doesn't matter anyway heavyweight division is definitely not the best division and some great fighters campaign at multiple weight classes, Hopkins, Pacquiao, Jones, Mayweather and Holyfield should all be ranked higher than Lennox, and some others too, maybe.
                      By anyone who knows boxing. The heavyweight division might be the hardest to crack the top 10 ATG list because there really aren't that many greats like Ali, Louis, Holmes etc. If you notice the heavyweight greats were all dominant guys for years after the older champion passed the torch. Lewis was the best in probably the second most stacked HW division ever imo.

                      So again, Hopkins and Lewis are the 2 best. Mayweather and Jones are too "unproven" and their resume doesn't measure up. Pacquiao I will give you that one but not quite yet.

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