Roy Jones Jr arguable the best resume in modern boxing

[SCtrojansbaby]

Hernandez, Chavez, Whitaker, Trinidad, Quartey, Camacho, Mosley, Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao. Lesser names would be Vargas, Mayorga, Gatti, Carr, Gonzales, Leija, Ruelas. Not so sure about that Dan. He may not have beat them all, but he certainly fought a much tougher group of fighters than Jones did in my opinion.

DLH's level of competition is only second to Ali IMO

[JAB5239]

Couldnt the same be said of complete nobodies who have been brought in as opponents for big name fighters? If losses count on your resume the best resume of all time probably goes to a 23-44 fighter.

I would think that you'd look at how they actually fared against that competition. DLH was competitive in every fight except Pac. You could probably say Hop too, but I thought he showed a good account of himself until getting stopped.

[JAB5239]

DLH's level of competition is only second to Ali IMO

Its definitely up there in terms of numbers, but I'd think Leonard and Duran's comp may be better. Im sure its arguable though.

[SCtrojansbaby]

You completely ignored my question as well as the question asking what in my initial post was ******. Jim Jeffries was undefeated when he lost to Jack Johnson. He may have always lost, but he certainly wasn't the same fighter he had been years before. The circumstances might have been different, but you get the idea. Spinks is a great NAME to have on his resume, and its a good win, but lets look at ALL the factors surrounding it.

Yes all the factors going in show that Spinks wasn't as good as he was how ever many years ago but he still hadn't been beaten officially so yeah just beating Spinks wouldn't be a great win. Man-handling him is what makes it great.

[McGoorty]

Roy's problem today isn't that he is still fighting, its that he is fighting against top competition(like top 10 cruiserweights Green and Lebedev, and top 10 light heavyweights like Johnson Tarver and Calzaghe) instead of the usual bums and other washed former champions.

Look I think Jones one of the best, but the resume is not as high as you rate it, I'll give you Toney And Hopkins, but then the level drops sharply. I won't diss Roy, he beat what was in front of him, I disliked his antics at times, especially the uncalled for ending to the Glen Kelly. Kelly was the prime example of an untalented fighter with a pumped up record who fights the best for the title and is shown up, it was a fight between the best in the world and the worst contender possible. It is this type of matchup that destroys boxing, and today's champions are nearly all doing it. I wish there was just one Champ per division, I also hate the 12 round set up,............ Fighters were unquestionably superior under the 15 round standard.......................................... ....................................... ......................... Back to Roy, the win against Ruiz rates among the biggest farces of all time, here was a HW that makes Marvin Hart and Jess Willard look invincible,.... he was NO BETTER Than KELLY........ Virgil Hill was way past it and so was McLellan,,,,,,,,,,, ........ Now the good news,................................ Roy Jones Jr. beats McLellan, he destroys Hill and he destroys Marvin Hart at any time prime or not (but Willard would lean on Roy, and the sheer weight would crush him to death)........ as I said, it wasn't Roy fault there were so many bums,......... I think he was better than his resume suggests.. but to answer your first question, no Jones's resume is not even the best this century.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Look I think Jones one of the best, but the resume is not as high as you rate it, I'll give you Toney And Hopkins, but then the level drops sharply. I won't diss Roy, he beat what was in front of him, I disliked his antics at times, especially the uncalled for ending to the Glen Kelly. Kelly was the prime example of an untalented fighter with a pumped up record who fights the best for the title and is shown up, it was a fight between the best in the world and the worst contender possible. It is this type of matchup that destroys boxing, and today's champions are nearly all doing it. I wish there was just one Champ per division, I also hate the 12 round set up,............ Fighters were unquestionably superior under the 15 round standard.......................................... ....................................... ......................... Back to Roy, the win against Ruiz rates among the biggest farces of all time, here was a HW that makes Marvin Hart and Jess Willard look invincible,.... he was NO BETTER Than KELLY........ Virgil Hill was way past it and so was McLellan,,,,,,,,,,, ........ Now the good news,................................ Roy Jones Jr. beats McLellan, he destroys Hill and he destroys Marvin Hart at any time prime or not (but Willard would lean on Roy, and the sheer weight would crush him to death)........ as I said, it wasn't Roy fault there were so many bums,......... I think he was better than his resume suggests.. but to answer your first question, no Jones's resume is not even the best this century.

Virgil Hill way past it? How? he would go and win the a championship at cruiserweight via first round KO a few years after Roy beat him.

As for Ruiz he was a legit top 5 Heavyweight who IMO got robbed against Holyfield and would even go on to win a couple more significant fights after Roy whooped him. Wouldn't have been a great win but Roy dominated him.

And you only call them bums because Roy was able to beat them so easily watch there other fights they clearly were stiff competition

[AKATheMack]

I would think that you'd look at how they actually fared against that competition. DLH was competitive in every fight except Pac. You could probably say Hop too, but I thought he showed a good account of himself until getting stopped.

Good answer.

[McGoorty]

What insults?

Names like Vaca Sosa and Gonzalez only look bad because Roy dominated them.

Vaca was coming off wins against once champions like Mark Breland Quincy Taylor x2. Vaca also gave an ATG Terry Norris a pretty good fight losing by split decision. The fights I mentioned before clearly shows he was quality fighter and stiff competition

Sosa beat the former light heavyweight champion Prince Charles 2x before fighting Roy and had given Toney hell at middleweight, he even beat Glen Johnson a couple years after losing to Roy.

And as said before how can you on one hand complain about him not fighting Dariusz but then not give him proper credit for beating the guy who beat Dariusz. No its not the same as Roy beating Dariusz but it shows that Gonzalez was clearly a solid fighter and stiff competition.

You didn't quote anybody, if you are referring to me, I forgot to elaborate, some of those guys were good and solid fighters, in no way do I put say Vaca in with Glen Kelly, that would be an insult. But they ARE NOT TONEY and HOPKINS and I don't think you believe that either. The bums I was referring to were the Bottom 3 quarters of Jones's opponents and I did say that they are all guilty of it,........ Jones did fight some other good fighters but they were far from GREAT.

[McGoorty]

DLH's level of competition is only second to Ali IMO

DLH ???????/....... elaborate. Explain why he lost his biggest fights ???

[McGoorty]

Yes all the factors going in show that Spinks wasn't as good as he was how ever many years ago but he still hadn't been beaten officially so yeah just beating Spinks wouldn't be a great win. Man-handling him is what makes it great.

A heavy weight manhandling a Light Heavyweight,....... big deal.