Joe Louis vs Larry Holmes

[Ascended]

Louis beats him without much bother.

A competitive round here and there.

Sure does even though joe never would land hardly cause he never fought a mover as good as Larry crazy person

[Willie Pep 229]

So back then you told the truth cause this is the truth what happened to your mind when did you become blind

New glasses, he can see better now. Crazy idiot.

[them_apples]

New glasses, he can see better now. Crazy idiot.

I learned. I was a crazy idiot at one point.

probably worse posts ive made if you dig back far enough. Probably saying things right out of moneymans textbook.

[QueensburyRules]

Larry crazy person

- - Lar too clogged up to beat Joe.

Maybe wif illegal Exlax he might draw Joe until the drug testing busts him.

[Ivich]

I have a high opinion of Holmes but I think he'd get knocked out.
I think he'd box well but at some point or another I see him getting put to sleep.

A fight in which a solid case can be made for either man ,imo.

In a battle of the jabs I must pick Holmes..

The power ratio favours Louis but Larry hit hard enough to keep Joe honest and ,imo to drop him.

Louis had every punch in his arsenal, jab ,hook,uppercut, cross,and he could put them together in blazing combinations.

His foot work is a little underated, you never saw him reaching for his opponent,and his judgement of distance and balance were excellent.

Holmes was pretty basic really, great jab the best,imo,he could break you down with it or use it as a range finder for his right cross,one of the best right uppercuts ever,but he didn't have much of a left hook.
Neither was he known for 3/4 punch combos.

Larry had wonderful recuperative powers,I still don't know how he got up from Shavers right hand.

There is some talk about Louis' susceptibility to right hands because of his habit of not returning his left hand to the guard position after jabbing,but after the first Schmeling fight that problem was largely fixed.

I say largely,because Walcott dropped him in their 1st fight with a right hand and again with an uppercut,and

Mauriello staggered him with a right in their brief shoot out.

Buddy Baer and Galento dropped Joe with left hooks ,

I think he had a certain amount of disdain for the Fat Man ,and was overconfident , he did not seem to be in any real trouble

and Two Ton's feet mired in cement prevented him from following up his momentary advantage.

.Watching Baer catch him I thought he underestimated Buddy's reach and didn't realise he was still in range,again he did not

appear to be in any significant distress, just regained his feet and went back to work.

Louis' chin gets something of a bad rap imo.Schmeling needed countless right hands to finally stop him,and he wasn't stopped again until he was basically just a facsimile of the great fighter he had been ,and his legs gave out,

Two stoppage losses in 69 fights,both against two excellent punchers.

It's been said here that Holmes was a mover,he was, but he wasn't a guy that boxed on the back foot,he preferred to go forward behind his jab ,so the similarities between him and Walcott and Conn are pretty slight imo.

Larry had one glaring fault that his aforementioned recuperative powers and his very big balls tended to obscure,

his vulnerability to the right hand,and Louis' cross ,though not as hard as Shavers was delivered with great accuracy and speed

He was capable of flooring anyone with it,and if he had Larry in the condition Earnie did, there is a good chance he would finish the job,imo

At close quarters this is Louis' fight imo, but how often Larry would be prepared to allow that to happen is another matter.

Someone has posted that Ali has a better chance against Louis than Holmes,presumably because of Ali's footwork,

I'd go along with that,we would see a bigger version of Conn in there and one who hit appreciably harder,

I think Ali decisions Louis or stops him late.

Louis v Holmes? 50/50 imo. If I had to pick I'd go with Joe but with no real confidence and I'm surprised so many have such certain opinions of the outcome.

Perhaps they are aware of something I've overlooked?

[QueensburyRules]

Perhaps they are aware of something I've overlooked?

- - Yeah, prime Lar won't touch champion Joe wif a billion mile pole.

Don't make me rub U red nose in Lar record vs standing champs having won their titles in the ring.

Godzilla and King Kong always gonna fight, not Lar.

[Nash out]

Butterbean beat Holmes 95-94 when scoring the fight correctly. A massive knock down in the 10th, knocking Holmes all the way across the ring with only the ropes stopping him from being counted out won the fight for Butterbean with that 10-8 rounds. Holmes was tapping out the jab and running away constantly (for a reason, terrified of Butterbeans power) as Butterbean landed the telling power shots. Nash out

[Ivich]

A fight in which a solid case can be made for either man ,imo.

In a battle of the jabs I must pick Holmes..

The power ratio favours Louis but Larry hit hard enough to keep Joe honest and ,imo to drop him.

Louis had every punch in his arsenal, jab ,hook,uppercut, cross,and he could put them together in blazing combinations.

His foot work is a little underated, you never saw him reaching for his opponent,and his judgement of distance and balance were excellent.

Holmes was pretty basic really, great jab the best,imo,he could break you down with it or use it as a range finder for his right cross, plus one of the best right uppercuts ever,but he didn't have much of a left hook.
Neither was he known for 3/4 punch combos.

Larry had wonderful recuperative powers,I still don't know how he got up from Shavers right hand.

It's been mentioned Norton was not at his best against,Holmes but he was still the number one contender and Holmes was fighting with a torn left bicep

There is some talk about Louis' susceptibility to right hands because of his habit of not returning his left hand to the guard position after jabbing,but after the first Schmeling fight that problem was largely fixed.

I say largely,because Walcott dropped him in their 1st fight with a right hand and again with an uppercut,and

Mauriello staggered him with a right in their brief shoot out.

Buddy Baer and Galento dropped Joe with left hooks ,

I think he had a certain amount of disdain for the Fat Man ,and was overconfident , he did not seem to be in any real trouble

and Two Ton's feet mired in cement prevented him from following up his momentary advantage.

.Watching Baer catch him I thought he underestimated Buddy's reach and didn't realise he was still in range,again he did not

appear to be in any significant distress, just regained his feet and went back to work.

Louis' chin gets something of a bad rap imo.Schmeling needed countless right hands to finally stop him,and he wasn't stopped again until he was basically just a facsimile of the great fighter he had been ,and his legs gave out,

Two stoppage losses in 69 fights,both against two excellent punchers.

It's been said here that Holmes was a mover,he was, but he wasn't a guy that boxed on the back foot,he preferred to go forward behind his jab ,so the similarities between him and Walcott and Conn are pretty slight imo.

Larry had one glaring fault that his aforementioned recuperative powers and his very big balls tended to obscure,

his vulnerability to the right hand,and Louis' cross ,though not as hard as Shavers was delivered with great accuracy and speed

He was capable of flooring anyone with it,and if he had Larry in the condition Earnie did, there is a good chance he would finish the job,imo

At close quarters this is Louis' fight imo, but how often Larry would be prepared to allow that to happen is another matter.

Someone has posted that Ali has a better chance against Louis than Holmes,presumably because of Ali's footwork,

I'd go along with that,we would see a bigger version of Conn in there and one who hit appreciably harder,

I think Ali decisions Louis or stops him late.

Louis v Holmes? 50/50 imo. If I had to pick I'd go with Joe but with no real confidence and I'm surprised so many have such certain opinions of the outcome.

Perhaps they are aware of something I've overlooked?

The usual puerile comments from the kiddywinks below ,but that's to be expected.

[Dr. Z]

Holmes would win. He would out jab and out land Louis, possibly knocking him down. It would a 10-5 score kind of fight. Louis of course land the bomb, but Holmes had one of the best chins at heavyweight. He would get up and use his legs to recover for the moment. Holmes was no fool in the ring. If Schmeling, Conn, Walcott ( same age as Louis ) and Charles could box Louis, so could Larry Holmes.

[Willow The Wisp]

Why was joe picked here when he fought conn who would have won cause he easily outboxed joe easy and would had won had he not went toe to toe

So how is it joe beats a way more advanced Larry who wouldn't go toe to toe how does joe win he moved like a snail and was basic

You cazy blind man....... you search for and pull these old threads back up if they discuss a topic you can repeat your infamous lines on, to troll the history lovers. And SUPPORT YOU! A man needs a hobby.