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  • #21
    Originally posted by Holtol View Post
    I just thought that maybe the difference in opinion of who would win Ike vs Lewis might be that you think Lewis is better then I do. You said I am overrating Ibeabuchi because I think he would beat Lewis. Are difference of opinion could be in how good we think Lewis is and not Ibeabuchi. I was just wondering if there was some confusion. I am not going to argue about Lewis resume though just because its been gone over so much.
    I think Ibeabuchi is over rated my the masses, my friend. Its not just you. His career has been blown out of proportion based more on unreached potential than actual accomplishment.There is no denying he had talent. But there is also no guarantee he would have fulfilled it either.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

      In my opinion it is ridiculous. What do you think?
      It's getting into Floyd Patterson territory and I don't see how you can justify putting them that close together. You agree?

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      • #23
        Originally posted by -D33Pwaters- View Post
        It's getting into Floyd Patterson territory and I don't see how you can justify putting them that close together. You agree?
        I do agree. I just can't see any way for him to be ranked outside the top 10. Just my opinion of course.

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        • #24
          If you don't mind, I would like to hear your opinions.[/QUOTE]

          There have been many Lewis threads where I have said my opinion of some of his wins and losses. I don't really feel like aggravating his fans and having to exsplain myself its a lot of work. It would require many pages for me to describe everything I am not up to it right now. Maybe I will a little later. I am just not feeling that inspired to argue his carreer right now for some reason.
          Last edited by Holtol; 04-28-2011, 02:45 PM.

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          • #25
            Its difficult to say. Ibeabuchi didnt accomplish much, hell he only fought two fighters of note his entire career...but his win over Chris Byrd was pretty damn impressive, and I still consider Byrd to be Wladimir's best win even after all this time. And outfighting Tua at his own game isnt exactly somethign to scoff at.

            I think he had his limitations, but would have LOVED to see him fight Lewis or the Klitschkos.

            Im not sure if he would have gotten better or not. He was always a mental case and was probably bound to crack at any time.

            the main obsession with Ike is not that he was ATG material really...its just that people wish that a powerful, exciting HW like him was around in the 2000s, where the division started getting really terrible. he definitely could have made waves there.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

              In my opinion it is ridiculous. What do you think?
              The irony is that when pressed, the person in question would EASILY reel of the names of 50+ Heavyweights that he thinks would beat Lewis.....thereby making his 15-20 ranking disingenuous to say the least.

              PS. I personally rank Lewis at 13th just ahead of Joe Walcott: Not quite an ATG but not far off either.

              Poet

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              • #27
                Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                The irony is that when pressed, the person in question would EASILY reel of the names of 50+ Heavyweights that he thinks would beat Lewis.....thereby making his 15-20 ranking disingenuous to say the least.

                PS. I personally rank Lewis at 13th just ahead of Joe Walcott: Not quite an ATG but not far off either.

                Poet
                I also rank Lennox Lewis around the #13 mark.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
                  Ibeabuchi is hugely over rated. His biggest wins were over a small Cris Byrd, and a short, 1 dimensional David Tua who he had to go life and death with and was never the same after. There is no proof he would have been able to compete with a tall, hard punching and talented fighter or that his work rate would be the same against such.
                  Everyone who has potential but is never around long enough to live up to it gets massively overrated. Just look at Valero now, people say he would knock out everyone at 140 and maybe beat Pacquiao.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Holtol View Post
                    If you don't mind, I would like to hear your opinions.
                    There have been many Lewis threads where I have said my opinion of some of his wins and losses. I don't really feel like aggravating his fans and having to exsplain myself its a lot of work. It would require many pages for me to describe everything I am not up to it right now. Maybe I will a little later. I am just not feeling that inspired to argue his carreer right now for some reason.[/QUOTE]

                    Fair enough H, its cool.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by bojangles1987 View Post
                      Everyone who has potential but is never around long enough to live up to it gets massively overrated. Just look at Valero now, people say he would knock out everyone at 140 and maybe beat Pacquiao.
                      Valero, another fighter hugely over rated. Good call.

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