Ike Ibeabuchi-what if?

[Pastrano]

Im with u Hotol, i enjoyed reading his posts and learned some stuff from both he and Jab during their arguments.

I think he was too harsh on Lewis who i openly hate but have to face reality and rate. But he made good arguements to back up his claims. Guy shoulda just kept his cool a bit more and not made things so personal and mabey he'd still get to post...

What I hated about Lewis was his ****iness and the way he would dismiss some opponents. Like when he called Vitali a fighter with "no heart or skill level" before the fight and then later punked out when Larry Merchant confronted him with that. Instead of admitting Vitali had heart and skill, he just avoided giving him credit and instead went on an egotripping rant!

Larry for that!

[The Surgeon]

What I hated about Lewis was his ****iness and the way he would dismiss some opponents. Like when he called Vitali a fighter with "no heart or skill level" before the fight and then later punked out when Larry Merchant confronted him with that. Instead of admitting Vitali had heart and skill, he just avoided giving him credit and instead went on an egotripping rant!

Larry for that!

Larry was great in that interview, its times like that u gotta love the Old Bastarrd! Imma miss him when he's gone.

Lewis really let himself down there - classless.

[Holtol]

Im with u Hotol, i enjoyed reading his posts and learned some stuff from both he and Jab during their arguments.

I think he was too harsh on Lewis who i openly hate but have to face reality and rate. But he made good arguements to back up his claims. Guy shoulda just kept his cool a bit more and not made things so personal and mabey he'd still get to post...

I did not see him making things more personal then others were. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth imo.

I don't hate Lewis but I don't think he was that special. I think Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield and Douglas were all better fighters. Lewis was just consistantly good for a long period of time.

Watching Ike I had a sense that I was watching something special. There was a certain energy in the air when he was fighting. Anyone who at the time did not think that Ike would be a serious threat to Lewis is lieing. Ike was just plain scary. And my feeling at the time was Ike was going to wreck things for Lewis and the Klitschkos. Which I was not to happy about I should add. I actually like Lewis and the Klitschkos I just think Ike would beat them.

[mickey malone]

I think he created a lot of debate and was very knowledgeable and he was voted the best poster by quite a few people. And although some people may think his rating of Lewis was extream it was no more extream then Jabs who rates him at 5. And many people would rate Lewis closer to where Sonnyboy has him rated as opposed to Jab. I think in reality Lewis is closer to a 15 where Sonny boy rates him then at 5 where Jab rates him. I think Jab is just mad because Sonny boy makes good points why Lewis was not a top 10 heavyweight.

When it comes to rating Lewis, i'm actually a lot more with Jab than i am with Sonnyboy, and Sonnyboy knows this. A year ago, he hated my guts but after tempering down my style a bit, he eventually followed suit and we've since been able to hold ballanced discussions on the sport.
He was also quite funny at times and not so long ago was describing himself as a 'one man army' so as much as i respect Jab's integrity on the decision to ban him, i'll also admit to being disappointed he's gone.

[JAB5239]

Nah, it was because, every time the word "Lewis" was mentioned.

"Lewis is not...a top 10 atg youre a fraud if you think he is"

Everytime Bowe was mentioned.

"Did you know lewis wanted extreme purses."

"poleaxed"

Exactly. and now that he's not allowed to do that he is bitter and looking to cause trouble.

[awais]

a lotta people seem to think that the 'if' solely focuses on ike's mental health. as if to say he would have definitely ruled the hw division had he not gone crazy. but who's to say he would have beaten everyone had he never gone crazy? i think ppl overrate ike in the sense that he never actualy proved himself, however unfortunate the circumstances. his wins over tua and byrd etc although good dont necessarily mean he was the best. im not putting ike down im just saying the bigger questions to be asked are what if he had to fight the other elite fighters, rather than what if he never went crazy