Teddy Atlas's 13 Greatest P4P Fighters Of All Time!

[BattlingNelson]

it seems that your argueing that he didnt exhibit total domination

while the other guy is arguing that lucas wasnt a non threat....and for some reason he seems to feel if he can disprove that lucas was a non threat....then hes some how successfully disproved everything you said.

i believe its called a straw man argument.

So this guy is debating a minor point in my post, arguing that this minor point is faulty and because it is allegedly faulty the entire post is faulty? Lol.

[Spartacus Sully]

So this guy is debating a minor point in my post, arguing that this minor point is faulty and because it is allegedly faulty the entire post is faulty? Lol.

yeah, its probly best just to agree that lucas was a threat and maintain that rjj didnt fight half the people he could or should of for top 15 p4p status along with the other points you made about the fighters he did fight.

unless you really think lucas was a non threat...then go ahead and cotinue argueing that.......but every one should realize that as you allready said....

"Wheter Lucas was or was not a 'non-threath' is IMO irrelevant. He doesnt make or break the point I made."



id probly also have joe gans in my top 15.

[BattlingNelson]

yeah, its probly best just to agree that lucas was a threat and maintain that rjj didnt fight half the people he could or should of for top 15 p4p status along with the other points you made about the fighters he did fight.

unless you really think lucas was a non threat...then go ahead and cotinue argueing that.......but every one should realize that as you allready said....

"Wheter Lucas was or was not a 'non-threath' is IMO irrelevant. He doesnt make or break the point I made."

Precisely.

[Barn]

war hagler!

[Barn]

Good list but why no Ezzard Charles in the top 10?

I have Chalrles at 5 on my personal list and agree with you.

How can he not by a top 10 ATG?

[GF of Boxing]

I agree. I have Roy at least number 15. And he is one of my favorite fighters. He was fighter of the decade in the 90's. He dominated on top from 93-04! That is almost 11 years on top of the mountain. How many fighters in history has stayed on top that long? There is not a lot of people on that list.

[Rockin']

The Boxing world is the HARDEST to Please.

What of Joe Louis' resume? The bum of the month club?

A fighter will destroy himself chasing the hardest fights possible every time out. They pay a price for every round he battles that leave us in adjulation. I've always believed that a pound for pound rating was not only judged on who you did'nt fight as for the amazing things that did happen when you did fight somebody.

I had read in this thread how Frankie Liles and Darrin Vanhorne were not even considered threats. While Vanhornes youth was interesting in his strategic and well mapped road to a title, his skill was good but it lacked. Frankie Liles could fight, he was out of Michigan and I remember watching him in the amatuers and at the Palace coming up.

Look at anybodies resume and 99.9% of them anybody could punch holes through. The final factor is what they did do when really stepping in against tough competition. The only reason most retire undefeated is because they never fought anybody. A loss, even a ko loss, is not neccesarily the end of the road................Rockin'

[IronDanHamza]

war hagler!

[IronDanHamza]

I have Chalrles at 5 on my personal list and agree with you.

How can he not by a top 10 ATG?

I'm loving the love for Charles.

He really has one of the most incredible resume's in history.

[GJC]

Solid enough list, you can always argue the life out of these, Off the top of my head I would make a case for Wilde, Gans and Moore to be in there personally