Teddy Atlas's 13 Greatest P4P Fighters Of All Time!

[Steak]

If he was a "non threat" why did Kessler fight him 10 years after Jones did? It's funny that you laugh at Panzienza while putting names like Van Horn and Littles as fighters Jones supposedly ducked.

Lucas was irrelevant at 168 until 5 years later. thats a big gap. Not really a win worth writing home about.

I dont care for what reason Roy 'didnt want to fight' those other top 5 guys, he could have and it would have boosted his legacy. thats all there is to it. Same with Darius Michaseljfhdafhkdfpowski. It would have definitely helped his legacy had they fought.


anyhow the only real problem I have with Atlas' list is how high Johnson is. no justification for that.

[joseph5620]

Lucas was irrelevant at 168 until 5 years later. thats a big gap. Not really a win worth writing home about.
I dont care for what reason Roy 'didnt want to fight' those other top 5 guys, he could have and it would have boosted his legacy. thats all there is to it. Same with Darius Michaseljfhdafhkdfpowski. It would have definitely helped his legacy had they fought.


anyhow the only real problem I have with Atlas' list is how high Johnson is. no justification for that.

Whether he was relevant or not doesn't determine whether he was non "threatening" which was the issue. I don't believe Lucas miraculously transformed into a different fighter after he lost to Jones. I know that's a convenient thing to say if you want to discredit Jones opponents but it's not likely.

[BattlingNelson]

Whether he was relevant or not doesn't determine whether he was non "threatening" which was the issue. I don't believe Lucas miraculously transformed into a different fighter after he lost to Jones. I know that's a convenient thing to say if you want to discredit Jones opponents but it's not likely.

Wheter Lucas was or was not a 'non-threath' is IMO irrelevant. He doesnt make or break the point I made.

[Steak]

Whether he was relevant or not doesn't determine whether he was non "threatening" which was the issue. I don't believe Lucas miraculously transformed into a different fighter after he lost to Jones. I know that's a convenient thing to say if you want to discredit Jones opponents but it's not likely.

oh come on, Jones has far more credentials than pretending that Lucas was a good win. Fact of the matter is that he was not a top fighter in the division when Roy beat him, and even at his best was lucky to get his hands on a vacant belt.

Roys win over Jorge Fernando Castro is more significant than the stinking Lucas win.

[SBleeder]

I'm not sure why people are fussing over Monzon being on the list. If anything, #13 is too low. Other than Greb and Robinson, there were no better middleweights in history IMO.

Great list from Atlas. I was expecting 6 or 7 heavyweights.

[Steak]

I'm not sure why people are fussing over Monzon being on the list. If anything, #13 is too low. Other than Greb and Robinson, there were no better middleweights in history IMO.

Great list from Atlas. I was expecting 6 or 7 heavyweights.

I consider Hagler better, personally.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not sure why people are fussing over Monzon being on the list. If anything, #13 is too low. Other than Greb and Robinson, there were no better middleweights in history IMO.

Great list from Atlas. I was expecting 6 or 7 heavyweights.

In terms of Middleweight's, absolutely.

But in terms of P4P greatness, I don't think he belongs as high as Atlas has him.

I would love to agree with you, I really would. But IMO, he's not a Top 15 ATG as Atlas believes.

[$Bullsfam$]

13 is such a random number. Why not make it 15 to add my boy Pernell Whitaker :weed5:

[IronDanHamza]

I consider Hagler better, personally.

[Steak]

lets argue. Im bored.