Teddy Atlas's 13 Greatest P4P Fighters Of All Time!

[SCtrojansbaby]

Really? What's so dumb about it?

What isn't dumb about it?

Two words describe Roy's career Unprecedented Dominance

Went from middleweight to heavyweight winning championships every stop along the way. Dominated 2 hall of famers in their prime(yes Hopkins was in his prime). Destroyed several other very good champions such as Griffin Hill McCallum Ruiz Gonzalez Harding. Lost about 25 rounds total in his first 49 fights.

[ShinCrossOver]

Roy Jones had the talent to be on the list, but he failed to live up to his potential. No way his resumé warrants a place among these guys.


LMAO that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard

I am with SCtrojansbaby here.

I can understand if it is debateable whether he should be placed in this list or not but "no way"? That's a really harsh considering Roy's accomplishments:

1. Middleweight, Super middleweight, Light heavyweight and Heavyweight Champion
2. Only boxer in history to start his career as a junior middleweight and win the HW title in 106 years
3. First Former Middleweight Champion to win a HW title
4. Held WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, NABF, WBF, and IBA light heavyweight championships - a record seven belts at the same time
5. Named fighter of the decade for the 1990's by Boxing Writers Association of America.

*all these stats were taken from Wiki. Don't kill me if something is wrong.

[bklynboy]

I am with SCtrojansbaby here.

I can understand if it is debateable whether he should be placed in this list or not but "no way"? That's a really harsh considering Roy's accomplishments:

1. Middleweight, Super middleweight, Light heavyweight and Heavyweight Champion
2. Only boxer in history to start his career as a junior middleweight and win the HW title in 106 years
3. First Former Middleweight Champion to win a HW title
4. Held WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, NABF, WBF, and IBA light heavyweight championships - a record seven belts at the same time
5. Named fighter of the decade for the 1990's by Boxing Writers Association of America.

*all these stats were taken from Wiki. Don't kill me if something is wrong.

I lot of people, and I count myself amoung them, don't think that a belt holder is the same thing as a champion.

For as good as Roy Jones was - and I think he was phenomenal - he never was the Heavyweight champion of the world. He won the WBA(?) belt from Ruiz. You can't compare winning a belt, being one of 3 or *7* title holders, to be the same as being the champion.

[BattlingNelson]

What isn't dumb about it?

Two words describe Roy's career Unprecedented Dominance

Went from middleweight to heavyweight winning championships every stop along the way. Dominated 2 hall of famers in their prime(yes Hopkins was in his prime). Destroyed several other very good champions such as Griffin Hill McCallum Ruiz Gonzalez Harding. Lost about 25 rounds total in his first 49 fights.

Well at 168 Jones NEVER fought another top 3 opponent after he fought Toney. He fought these guys:

Thornton (unranked)
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd (past it)
Sosa (a never was)
Brannon (a 16 fight veteran)
Lucas (non threat)

This means that these deserving guys are missing on his resumé:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Unprecedented dominace? I think not.

At LHW he didnt fight Michalsczewski and at HW he sought out the weakest link in Ruiz (still impressive win though).

And then when he finally faced fighters with a good wallop we all know what happened.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Well at 168 Jones NEVER fought another top 3 opponent after he fought Toney. He fought these guys:

Thornton (unranked)
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd (past it)
Sosa (a never was)
Brannon (a 16 fight veteran)
Lucas (non threat)

This means that these deserving guys are missing on his resumé:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Unprecedented dominace? I think not.

At LHW he didnt fight Michalsczewski and at HW he sought out the weakest link in Ruiz (still impressive win though).

And then when he finally faced fighters with a good wallop we all know what happened.

So the #1 pound for pound fighter is supposed to leave the country to fight others, one of Roy's most underrated wins is against Julio Cesar Gonzalez who 2 years after Roy destroyed him would be the first guy to beat Dariuz.

Show me a link where those guys are willing to come to America to fight Roy. Not to mention most of them weren't even contenders while Roy was at 168.

[ShinCrossOver]

LMAO that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard

I lot of people, and I count myself amoung them, don't think that a belt holder is the same thing as a champion.

For as good as Roy Jones was - and I think he was phenomenal - he never was the Heavyweight champion of the world. He won the WBA(?) belt from Ruiz. You can't compare winning a belt, being one of 3 or *7* title holders, to be the same as being the champion.

oh i agree with this.

i guess i should have written WBA champion/title holder.

[joseph5620]

Well at 168 Jones NEVER fought another top 3 opponent after he fought Toney. He fought these guys:

Thornton (unranked)
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd (past it)
Sosa (a never was)
Brannon (a 16 fight veteran)
Lucas (non threat)

This means that these deserving guys are missing on his resumé:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Unprecedented dominace? I think not.

At LHW he didnt fight Michalsczewski and at HW he sought out the weakest link in Ruiz (still impressive win though).

And then when he finally faced fighters with a good wallop we all know what happened.

If he was a "non threat" why did Kessler fight him 10 years after Jones did? It's funny that you laugh at Panzienza while putting names like Van Horn and Littles as fighters Jones supposedly ducked.

[BattlingNelson]

So the #1 pound for pound fighter is supposed to leave the country to fight others, one of Roy's most underrated wins is against Julio Cesar Gonzalez who 2 years after Roy destroyed him would be the first guy to beat Dariuz.

Show me a link where those guys are willing to come to America to fight Roy. Not to mention most of them weren't even contenders while Roy was at 168.

Those guys was ALL contenders and the point was that Jones didnt fight them. He fought Paz though.....

So saying that he showed unprecendented dominace is just ****** because he didnt.

[Barn]

A very good list my only quam would be the rating of Jack Johnson.

I really like the inclusion of Mickey Walker.

[The Surgeon]

Not my ideal list but better than most u read from these boxing guys and WAAAY better than i expected from Teddy!