Teddy Atlas's 13 Greatest P4P Fighters Of All Time!

[joseph5620]

soooo you agree that roy jones jr did not have unpresidented dominance and should not be in a top 13 p4p list? regardless of how any one feels about lucas.

and foreman pushed hard......but couldnt punch for **** after he fought chuvalo.....giving away speed and distance for raw power....he smothered opponents into tko's he did not ko them.

Foreman didn't score his KO's by "pushing". I'm not even going to waste time on that kind of ******ity. Especially since I know you have seen very few Foreman fights. Yes, it's that obvious after reading your post on the subject.

[Spartacus Sully]

Foreman didn't score his KO's by "pushing". I'm not even going to waste time on that kind of ******ity. Especially since I know you have seen very few Foremen fights.

lol, ive seen like 10 of the 80+ fights...but thats more then enough to know if some one has good timing speed and distance/range.....and foreman didnt.

why didnt foreman ko ali if foreman was so powerful?

because foreman had slow punches and ali had no problem rolling with them.

[MRBOOMER]

lol, ive seen like 10 of the 80+ fights...but thats more then enough to know if some one has good timing speed and distance/range.....and foreman didnt.

He had excellent timing knew when to throw and what punch to throw and he didnt need distance unless he threw his jab because that was his style

[Scott9945]

if all you guys have to argue against my point is that tko's and ko's arnt different then i have no need to argue any more.

I believe the point of contention was your evaluation of Foreman's punching power. It was your curious analysis that brought the TKO/KO difference into it.

[Spartacus Sully]

He had excellent timing knew when to throw and what punch to throw and he didnt need distance unless he threw his jab because that was his style

yes with punches that push...there is no need for distance....yes that was his style....to push rather then punch......errr to thud....

[Spartacus Sully]

I believe the point of contention was your evaluation of Foreman's punching power. It was your curious analysis that brought the TKO/KO difference in to it.

well a ko is when some one cant go on any more....while a tko is when some one else had deemed the person unable to go any more.

whether some one's punches are knocking people out or just knocking them down is directly related to ko's and tko's.

[joseph5620]

lol, ive seen like 10 of the 80+ fights...but thats more then enough to know if some one has good timing speed and distance/range.....and foreman didnt.

The question was whether he punched hard. You said he didn't. You said he couldn't "punch for sh**" after the Chuvalo fight. The silly "speed"/"distance"/"range" BS is irrelevant and a facade that you're putting up to look like you know what you're talking about. When you clearly don't.

[Spartacus Sully]

The question was whether he punched hard. You said he didn't. You said he couldn't "punch for sh**" after the Chuvalo fight. The silly "speed"/"distance"/"range" BS is irrelevant and a facade that you're putting up to look like you know what your talking about. When you clearly don't.

speed, distance range....they are all factors of the quality of a punch....a punch with out speed distance and range is a ****ty punch.

would it make you happy if i agree he pushed hard?

his punches were still ****.

watch the ali fight and watch foreman push ali around the ring all night.

hold a piece of paper with one hand and try to punch though it with the other....with out speed all your doing is pushing the paper and with out distance you will never have speed.

[joseph5620]

speed, distance range....they are all factors of the quality of a punch....a punch with out speed distance and range is a ****ty punch.

would it make you happy if i agree he pushed hard?

his punches were still ****.

watch the ali fight and watch foreman push ali around the ring all night.

68 out of Foreman's 76 wins have ended by KO. I would like to see you take some of those "sh***" punches. And I'm not looking for you to make me happy. Foreman was not "pushing" Ali all over the ring all night. Just another Foreman fight that you apparently didn't see.

[Spartacus Sully]

68 out of Foreman's 76 wins have ended by KO. I would like to see you take some of those "sh***" punches. And I'm not looking for you to make me happy. Foreman was not "pushing" Ali all over the ring all night. Just another Foreman fight that you apparently didn't see.

actually.....26 ended with ko and 42 ended with tko.

now lets compare that to some on who had distance and speed.....jack dempsey......

6 tkos and 44 ko's out of the 61 fights he won.

rocky marciano....

19tkos with 24 ko's

joe louis

23 tkos with 29 ko's