Rating Frazier

[JAB5239]

What's your view on Charles and Patterson being ranked above Foreman at HW?

I disagree with it. Neither belong in the top 10 in my opinion.

[IronDanHamza]

I disagree with it. Neither belong in the top 10 in my opinion.

Agreed....

[joseph5620]

Walcott, Moore and Bivins were all prime and Louis is still Louis, prime or not. The man hit hard. As I already said, Frazier was just too small for Foreman and Lyle, Lyle made the mistake of brawling with a stronger man-and nearly stopped him! Lyle was nothing more than a big puncher. Chuvalo was stopped on cuts, Patterson outpointed him.

If that was the case Louis would not have lost an embarrassing one sided decision to Ezzard Charles prior to fighting Marciano. In his own words after that fight "I bled like a stuck pig and looked like ****". I think (estimating) Louis had only 3 KO's in 8 fights leading up to that fight. He definitely wasn't "still Louis".

[joseph5620]

If you mean Moore when Charles beat him they wern't at HW and he certainly wasn't prime when Patterson beat him. Walcott wasn't really in his prime either he was near the end of his career. Louisis Louis but he clearly wasn't remotely close to his prime at all.

Size aside he was the Lineal HW champion and undefeated and Foreman destoryed him.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I will never agree to Pattersons resume and Charles' HW resume being better than Foreman's.

Agreed. I can't see in any way how a case can be made for that.

[Scott9945]

What's your view on Charles and Patterson being ranked above Foreman at HW?

You didn't ask me, but I think it is ****ing ridiculous. Totally defies any rational logic, whether you base it on their heavyweight careers or head to head matchups.

[joseph5620]

You didn't ask me, but I think it is ****ing ridiculous. Totally defies any rational logic, whether you base it on their heavyweight careers or head to head matchups.

I couldn't believe what I was reading when I looked at it. I can't understand what's behind it. Like you said, it defiies logic,reason,and it's ridiculous.

[IronDanHamza]

You didn't ask me, but I think it is ****ing ridiculous. Totally defies any rational logic, whether you base it on their heavyweight careers or head to head matchups.

couldn't believe what I was reading when I looked at it. I can't understand what's behind it. Like you said, it defiies logic,reason,and it's ridiculous.

Absolutely.

Quite odd to be honest.

[them_apples]

Many probably are, but it seems likely Holyfield needed them to put on weight he apparently thought he needed.

What PED's was Lewis on? Im not trying to be facetious, but I don't recall packages being sent to his house and rumors constantly swirling around him his entire heavyweight career.

Lennox Lewis was always a big guy, he went to my highschool. He filled out as he got older just like foreman did. Foreman started his career around 220 roughly, Lewis maybe a bit heavier at 225-229. They both ended up at 250+ and for of smooth looking. the naturally big boned guys are always the big punchers.

Briggs is a big guy but it seems mostly from weights, take the weight away and he's probably about lyles size. you can see his weigh going up on box rec as well. Everyone gets heavy when they age. your bones thicken and muscles continue developing all the way untill 28 years of age.


In boxing, all musle really helps you with is in the clinch where you can perhaps lean on your opnent of shove them away, it can also help with taking body punches, but a lot of that also comes down to stamina and recooperation since most heavyweights can take a good body punch if they are tensing up..its if they aren't prepared that makes it hurt. At the same time excessive muscle slows you down and makes you tire quicker. thats why most boxers or athlets in a lot of sports try to find a happy medium. Obviously some like football or wrestling, require more.

i would say, a bit more resistance conditioning would have benefitted the athletes from the 70's a bit, not to some huge degree, but a bit. sort of Like Pacquiao has done.

[boxing boy]

How do you see a Prime Joe Frazier doing against a 33 year old Ezzard Charles?

How do you see a Prime Joe Frazier doing against a 38 year old Jersey "Joe" Walcott? Do you see Frazier ahead on the score cards when he stops Walcott?

[CarlosG815]

How do you see a Prime Joe Frazier doing against a 33 year old Ezzard Charles?

How do you see a Prime Joe Frazier doing against a 38 year old Jersey "Joe" Walcott? Do you see Frazier ahead on the score cards when he stops Walcott?

Frazier knocks them both out.