George Foreman vs Rid**** Bowe (Superheavyweight Final)

[sonnyboyx2]

Is the "Close, but no cigar" all you have? Every single one of those links quote the same guy who provided no evidence whatsoever.

Google steroids with Holyfield and Klitschko you will find legit articles from major outlets like sports illustrated and the nytimes. Organizations that would get sued for publishing falsehoods.

All you have is heresay from boxing forums and crack pot historians.
Jorgensen is neither doctor nor law official and did not back up what he said.

Boxing Historian Eric Jorgenson is as good an historian on this sport as there is, here is a couple of his writings to give you an idea of his legitimacy

http://geociti.es/Colosseum/Lodge/6525/Article-
BillyMiske.htm

http://www.oocities.com/colosseum/lo...5/JDOther2.htm


http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jdempsey.html

http://www.*********.com/garfields/choynski.php

http://cyberboxingzone.com/

IBRO Membership includes the following boxing historians -- Harold ... Michael Hunnicutt. Kevin Igoe. Charles E. Johnston. James J. Johnston. Eric Jorgensen ..

http://www.*********.com/judgejake/greb.php

[sonnyboyx2]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mor...fish_steroids/

Lewis was not tested

[Scott9945]

Boxing Historian Eric Jorgenson is as good an historian on this sport as there is, here is a couple of his writings to give you an idea of his legitimacy

http://geociti.es/Colosseum/Lodge/6525/Article-
BillyMiske.htm

http://www.oocities.com/colosseum/lo...5/JDOther2.htm


http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jdempsey.html

http://www.*********.com/garfields/choynski.php

http://cyberboxingzone.com/

IBRO Membership includes the following boxing historians -- Harold ... Michael Hunnicutt. Kevin Igoe. Charles E. Johnston. James J. Johnston. Eric Jorgensen ..

http://www.*********.com/judgejake/greb.php

In the quote you used to authenticate the steroid claim, this historian also said that Lewis had the hardest right ever. Should we accept that as fact too, or does that not fit your agenda?

[Joeyzagz]

Boxing Historian Eric Jorgenson is as good an historian on this sport as there is, here is a couple of his writings to give you an idea of his legitimacy

http://geociti.es/Colosseum/Lodge/6525/Article-
BillyMiske.htm

http://www.oocities.com/colosseum/lo...5/JDOther2.htm


http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jdempsey.html

http://www.*********.com/garfields/choynski.php

http://cyberboxingzone.com/

IBRO Membership includes the following boxing historians -- Harold ... Michael Hunnicutt. Kevin Igoe. Charles E. Johnston. James J. Johnston. Eric Jorgensen ..

http://www.*********.com/judgejake/greb.php

Im sure Jorgensen is a fine boxing historian. But he is not a doctor, and shouldve provided evidence for his outrageous claim. Id expect the same from Bert Sugar or anyone else.

Show me a positive test, show me a police report where Lennox' is mentioned. Lennox is too big a name to use drugs and not pop up on a list somewhere.

[sonnyboyx2]

In the quote you used to authenticate the steroid claim, this historian also said that Lewis had the hardest right ever. Should we accept that as fact too, or does that not fit your agenda?

yes i can go along with that, i have witnessed Lewis right-hand and have mentioned it in several posts i have made in the not to distant past.

you seem to think i have a hate-agenda against Lewis yet you could not be further from the truth, i tell it like i seen his career unfold, nothing more nothing less. i respond to almost every thread in this history section on a daily basis yet my comments on Lewis seem to get yours and a couple of other members feathers ruffled but my comments on other fighters seem to be acceptable to you even when i put up links to back up everything i claim, but don't let it bother you i am not trying to change nor alter your opinion of Lewis those links are to back up my posts when they are called into question... you think of Lewis as an ATG Top 3 Heavyweight whereas i don't rate him in my Top 10... you think of him as a better skilled boxer than Floyd Patterson where i don't... you think of him as the dominant heavyweight champion 1992-2003 whereas i don't... you think Rid**** Bowe avoided him whereas i don't...you think his two KO defeats was lucky/fluke/fixed/under-trained/altitude/quick-count/etc etc yet i don't...you think he was correct in not fighting the No1 contenders whereas i don't... so there is not a lot we agree on in the case of Lennox Lewis and there is zero chance of us changing our opinions about him, so we will just have to agree to disagree... yet i do feel that the majority of opinion concerning Lennox Lewis is behind me.

[Kid McCoy]

Just give it up before you make a complete fool of yourself. Your "proof" is an unsupported allegation in an article you found on the net. It's so ridiculous five different people here have pulled you up on it.

By all means hang on every word of Eric Jorgensen, but don't try and pass off a baseless opinion as fact.

[sonnyboyx2]

Just give it up before you make a complete fool of yourself. Your "proof" is an unsupported allegation in an article you found on the net. It's so ridiculous five different people here have pulled you up on it.

By all means hang on every word of Eric Jorgensen, but don't try and pass off a baseless opinion as fact.

i have tied you up in knots on every subject you have ever tried to contradict me on McCoy.. you get pissed off because i supply evidence and links something you have never been able to do..

you now accept the word of Eric Jorgensen after i supplied the link showing him to be the historian behind several well known Harry Greb articles, yet yesterday you was trashing the guy.. you are a fraud McCoy and the axe you try to grind with me is because i exposed the truth about Lewis who you rate so highly...

[Kid McCoy]

i have tied you up in knots on every subject you have ever tried to contradict me on McCoy.. you get pissed off because i supply evidence and links something you have never been able to do..

you now accept the word of Eric Jorgensen after i supplied the link showing him to be the historian behind several well known Harry Greb articles, yet yesterday you was trashing the guy.. you are a fraud McCoy and the axe you try to grind with me is because i exposed the truth about Lewis who you rate so highly... your a fraud

You think your link counts as "evidence"? Go on living in your own enclosed world, Sonny, impervious to facts and logic. Here on planet earth it's nothing more than your most laughable attempt so far to trash Lewis, and that's saying something.

And I couldn't care less what Eric Jorgensen thinks about Greb. I don't get my opinions from him, even if you do.

[BigStereotype]

i have tied you up in knots on every subject you have ever tried to contradict me on McCoy.. you get pissed off because i supply evidence and links something you have never been able to do..

you now accept the word of Eric Jorgensen after i supplied the link showing him to be the historian behind several well known Harry Greb articles, yet yesterday you was trashing the guy.. you are a fraud McCoy and the axe you try to grind with me is because i exposed the truth about Lewis who you rate so highly...

Who cares about what Jorgensen says about Harry Greb? His claims and therefore yoru claims about Lewis are completely unsourced. They're based on nothing but personal opinion.

[sonnyboyx2]

You think your link counts as "evidence"? Go on living in your own enclosed world, Sonny, impervious to facts and logic. Here on planet earth it's nothing more than your most laughable attempt so far to trash Lewis, and that's saying something.

And I couldn't care less what Eric Jorgensen thinks about Greb. I don't get my opinions from him, even if you do.

you get your opinions from "The Beano Magazine"... and trashing the evidence i put up is meaningless to me it's what i expected you to do, it goes with the flow of all other evidence i have supplied with you then coming out with some of your howlers like:
Rid**** Bowe is telling lies..
The referee is Don King's friend
The referee counted too quickly
i couldn't care less what Historians say
No1 contenders are not worthy of title fights
Eddie Futch doesn't know what he is talking about