George Foreman vs Rid**** Bowe (Superheavyweight Final)

[sonnyboyx2]

Who cares about what Jorgensen says about Harry Greb? His claims and therefore yoru claims about Lewis are completely unsourced. They're based on nothing but personal opinion.

How do you think in your opinion Jorgensen came to make those claims?

he is a member of the IBRO boxing circle

[BigStereotype]

How do you think in your opinion Jorgensen came to make those claims?

he is a member of the IBRO boxing circle

I can't tell you how he came to make those claims because he doesn't provide a source. If you want to believe something, go for it, but don't present it as a fact without real evidence. Real evidence is a positive test or someone in his inner circle saying so. Some sort of smoking gun.

[sonnyboyx2]

I can't tell you how he came to make those claims because he doesn't provide a source. If you want to believe something, go for it, but don't present it as a fact without real evidence. Real evidence is a positive test or someone in his inner circle saying so. Some sort of smoking gun.

so a guy of Jorgenson's standing making such an accusation in print on every boxing site and web forum is not evidence?

Lewis has never been tested for steroids

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mor...fish_steroids/

or maybe he was tested the nights he fought these steroid users:

Shannon Briggs
Evander Holyfield (twice)
Frans Botha
Vitali Klitschko
Andrew Golota
Tommy Morrison

Maybe the true reason Lewis refused to fight John Ruiz is that Ruiz always insists on "Drug-Testing" or maybe its all just "pie in the sky" and every heavyweight from 92-04 was terrified of Lewis and the referee's and governing bodies all colluded behind closed doors to inflict 2 knock out defeats on him and Lennox is an ATG Top 3 who beats any fighter in history 6 out of 10 times because he was too big & too heavy and he would just keep them behind his jab and use his skills... and Lennox shoulda been Fighter of the Year each year and in Fight of the Year and get KO of The Year each year and we should watch nothing but Lennox greatest fights against Tyson, Akinwande & Tua... that sounds more like it don't you think.

[boxing boy]

I have George Foreman beating Bowe 7 out of 10.

[Scott9945]

yes i can go along with that, i have witnessed Lewis right-hand and have mentioned it in several posts i have made in the not to distant past.

you seem to think i have a hate-agenda against Lewis yet you could not be further from the truth, i tell it like i seen his career unfold, nothing more nothing less. i respond to almost every thread in this history section on a daily basis yet my comments on Lewis seem to get yours and a couple of other members feathers ruffled but my comments on other fighters seem to be acceptable to you even when i put up links to back up everything i claim, but don't let it bother you i am not trying to change nor alter your opinion of Lewis those links are to back up my posts when they are called into question... you think of Lewis as an ATG Top 3 Heavyweight whereas i don't rate him in my Top 10... you think of him as a better skilled boxer than Floyd Patterson where i don't... you think of him as the dominant heavyweight champion 1992-2003 whereas i don't... you think Rid**** Bowe avoided him whereas i don't...you think his two KO defeats was lucky/fluke/fixed/under-trained/altitude/quick-count/etc etc yet i don't...you think he was correct in not fighting the No1 contenders whereas i don't... so there is not a lot we agree on in the case of Lennox Lewis and there is zero chance of us changing our opinions about him, so we will just have to agree to disagree... yet i do feel that the majority of opinion concerning Lennox Lewis is behind me.

Honestly, I really do think you have the agenda you mentioned. And I doubt that I'm the only one here who thinks so. But I do agree that it would be boring and redundant for us to rehash the same points every single time that we disagree. We'll just pick our spots I guess.

As to some specifics you mentioned:

I would probably rate Lewis 8-10 if I made a list. Certainly not top 3.

P4P, Patterson had better skills. Of course we're talking about a lot of lbs.

You could make a case for Lewis being the best heavyweight from 92-03, but he wasn't a dominant champion, at least not until he beat Holyfield.

But that being said I did appreciate your respectful reply and sincerely wish you a nice Holiday season.

[BigStereotype]

so a guy of Jorgenson's standing making such an accusation in print on every boxing site and web forum is not evidence?

Lewis has never been tested for steroids

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mor...fish_steroids/

or maybe he was tested the nights he fought these steroid users:

Shannon Briggs
Evander Holyfield (twice)
Frans Botha
Vitali Klitschko
Andrew Golota
Tommy Morrison

Maybe the true reason Lewis refused to fight John Ruiz is that Ruiz always insists on "Drug-Testing" or maybe its all just "pie in the sky" and every heavyweight from 92-04 was terrified of Lewis and the referee's and governing bodies all colluded behind closed doors to inflict 2 knock out defeats on him and Lennox is an ATG Top 3 who beats any fighter in history 6 out of 10 times because he was too big & too heavy and he would just keep them behind his jab and use his skills... and Lennox shoulda been Fighter of the Year each year and in Fight of the Year and get KO of The Year each year and we should watch nothing but Lennox greatest fights against Tyson, Akinwande & Tua... that sounds more like it don't you think.

What are you talking about? I said that I don't think Lennox Lewis ever used steroids and that you don't have any evidence. And no, one guy ranting about it on a boxing forum and web site is not evidence. Not even if he's a historian of stature with all the Harry Greb articles you could ever read. Because he doesn't have a source at all. Check this out:

1. Harry Greb is the pound for pound number one of all time.
2. The sky is not blue.

[sonnyboyx2]

Honestly, I really do think you have the agenda you mentioned. And I doubt that I'm the only one here who thinks so. But I do agree that it would be boring and redundant for us to rehash the same points every single time that we disagree. We'll just pick our spots I guess.

As to some specifics you mentioned:

I would probably rate Lewis 8-10 if I made a list. Certainly not top 3.

P4P, Patterson had better skills. Of course we're talking about a lot of lbs.

You could make a case for Lewis being the best heavyweight from 92-03, but he wasn't a dominant champion, at least not until he beat Holyfield.

But that being said I did appreciate your respectful reply and sincerely wish you a nice Holiday season.

Boxing and these forums would never be frequented if we all agreed on everything to do with the sport, which is why boxing is a unique sport which its followers and fans can debate and discuss year-in year-out as well as delving back into past history of this sport again unlike any other sport which makes it "The Greatest prize in Sport"... and a Happy Holiday season to you also Scott

[Joeyzagz]

so a guy of Jorgenson's standing making such an accusation in print on every boxing site and web forum is not evidence?

It is simply Jorgensens opinion. It is not evidence because he cited no sources.

[Celtic_Warrior]

Here you go McCoy here is the evidence. read it

http://ninjashoes.net/forum/showthre...rry-And-Lennox

Just read this, how is that evidence?

There is much disrespect here for Lewis, I am a neutral and have to tell that he is a great fighter, one of the best heavy's for me, outside of Ali, Louis, Marciano and Foreman.

I dont get it?

[sonnyboyx2]

Just read this, how is that evidence?

There is much disrespect here for Lewis, I am a neutral and have to tell that he is a great fighter, one of the best heavy's for me, outside of Ali, Louis, Marciano and Foreman.

I dont get it?

you are welcome and entitled to your opinion of your fellow countryman... however others myself included do not rate him as one of the best heavys in history like you do.