Lennox Lewis ''Mike Tyson Was A One Dimensional Boxer''

[NChristo]

The problem is there's a double standard: If it was anyone OTHER than Tyson they'd be crucified for even fighting Spinks by the same people who are praising the Spinks fight as Tyson's defining win.

Poet

How is there a double standard ?, I'm not a Tyson fan by the way but I am a Spinks fan, Tyson took the 0 of a very skilled boxer and he deserves praise for that, why should he be "crucified" for it ?, because Spinks was scared and not in his prime ?.

Forza said that there are only 3 legit names on his resume Lewis, Holyfield and Holmes, I was just adding Spinks.

[sonnyboyx2]

You're looking at Ruiz in hindsight. He was not a "three time champion" in 2000 and had not beaten any contender of note. Look at those last five opponents prior to Holy. Since when does beating Thomas Williams and Mario Cawley make one the top contender? Yes he later proved to be a better heavyweight than Grant but at the time Grant was the bigger name and the bigger fight, and that was why Lewis took it. If Ruiz was known at all it was for being a highlight reel Tua KO. Here are the Ring's rankings for April 2000:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Michael Grant
4. David Tua
5. Mike Tyson
6. Andrew Golota
7. Oleg Maskaev
8. Chris Byrd
9. David Izon
10. Derrick Jefferson

Even your own link only says they "reportedly" wouldn't strip him when you can find a hundred other links saying Lewis would be stripped regardless for fighting Grant.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/USAToday...t&pqatl=google

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ko_lennox.html



After Moorer beat Holyfield, Moorer was asked if he would unify with Lewis. He responded that he was going to fight who he wanted, not who someone else wanted. It turned out he wanted to fight an inactive 45 year old. Are you going to ignore Moorer's own words and actions?



I posted links to Newman's 90-10 offer, which as usual you ignored, and another link saying Lewis would accept a 75-25 offer, which you also ignored. In the end, sick of being jerked around by Bowe and Newman, Lewis took the Tucker fight for more than he was being offered by Bowe. That Lewis constantly sought out tough fights and Bowe missed nearly all the top 90s heavyweights tells me a lot about who was avoiding who. Oddly enough, of all those guys Lewis supposedly ducked, Bowe didn't fight any of them either. Not Tyson, not Moorer, not Foreman, not Holmes, nor Mercer, Ruddock, Morrison or McCall. Why was that?



If you followed boxing as much as you claim, you'd know Dokes was champion in 1983. Bowe fought him in 1993, when Dokes most certainly was not the #2 contender or any factor in the division. Maybe he should have fought John Tate too. Check out who that 10 fight win streak was against... Danny Sutton, Percell Davis, Barry Forbes, Danny Wofford, Tyrone Armstrong, and none other than Jesse Ferguson. What a terror. This article is a more accurate reflection of how the fight was regarded:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...7436/index.htm

And if you want to use triangular logic, I could just as easily mention Golota who beat the snot out of Bowe twice and was KO'd easily by Lewis. Yes I know, Golota stubbed his toe en route to the ring which removes any credit due to Lewis.



Such venom. Which begs the question of what your real problem with Lewis is. It's obvious you aren't just a critic of his ability and career, but you have major personal issues with the man, genuine loathing judging by those last comments. You even contradict yourself and ignore established facts just to stick the boot in. And do you have a particular problem with a "Canadian" calling himself British?

Once again you have not been truthful but twisted the truth to suit your agenda.. you trash Bowe for fighting ex champion Michael Dokes & Jesse Ferguson who had just beaten Ray Mercer in Mercer's last fight before fighting Lennox Lewis yet Dokes and Ferguson was vastly superior opponents than the fighters Lennox Lewis chose to defend his WBC title against in :
Phillip Jackson (who)?
Henry Akinwande (who)?
Zeljko Mavrovic (who)?
Frans Botha
Michael Grant

What was these fighters claim to fame?... who had any of them beaten to deserve a world title fight?..was they better and more worthy than Ferguson or Dokes... NO

You put up 2 links about Lewis being stripped of the WBA title if he fought Grant and the No1 contender Ruiz would then fight Holyfield.. But those links was written "BEFORE" the link i put up which said Lewis could keep his title as long as he agreed to fight Ruiz on July 15th 2000 and that he could go ahead and fight Michael Grant.... Lewis fought Grant in April 2000 then fought Frans Botha on the 15th July 2000 with Ruiz not facing Holyfield unto August 2000 which was after the WBA had stripped Lewis for refusing to fight John Ruiz and fighting Frans Botha instead.... Here is the link:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4529125.html

Those ratings you have put up are the Ring ratings not the WBA ratings.. where is The Klitschko Brothers in those ratings?

Lewis in a SKY TV interview 2 weeks ago claimed he "Avoided" Michael Moorer... was Lewis lying?

This link of yours below:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ko_lennox.html

Say's Lewis beat Holyfield (the man) who beat Tyson (the man) who beat the man all the way back to John L Sullivan so is the true champion of the world and should not have to fight Ruiz the No1 contender.... But Rid**** Bowe was the Man who beat the man who beat the man back in 1992 yet Lewis who was No1 contender and an unknown was demanding 50/50 and options on Bowe with you claiming Bowe was "Scared of Lewis".. yet also claim Lewis was not "Scared of Ruiz" yet looking back at Bowe & Ruiz career's John Ruiz was way more successful than Rid**** Bowe was and has proved to be a very dangerous champion & contender and like it or not that was mine and many other boxing fans feelings back in 2000 when Lewis chose to fight Grant & Botha rather than Ruiz & Byrd who was the No1 contenders, because Ruiz & Byrd have both turned out to be vastly superior to Botha & Grant and it was plain to see back in 2000 that was the case, with Grant being fortunate to survive the opening round against Andrew Golota with Golota going on to Quit in that fight and Botha never beating any fighter of worth in his career as well as being unranked by any governing body including your Ring Ratings...

You claim that Lewis constantly sought out tough fights with the likes of Tony Tucker... you must be having a laugh, here is what Eddie Futch said of that fight:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/a...f&pqatl=google

Yet you claim it was a tough fight.. Lewis then fought one Phillip Jackson, Frank Bruno and got poleaxed by Oliver McCall.. yet you claim those was the toughest fights he could find , while at the same time the rankings had, Holmes, Moorer, Withersoopn, Bowe, Holyfield, Foreman, Sanders with as you claim them all terrified to fight Lewis..here is another link:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ewman-dan-duva

But as alway's you will claim all my links are garbage and that Eddie Futch would say that because he was a ****** old fool and that any link you put up of the Ring ratings are facts and Carved in Stone...

Andrew Golota was sedated in his dressing room after taking one of his well known of "Panic Attacks" Golota asked for a 30 minute reprieve before going into the ring which was refused, The Lewis camp got word of the panic attack and sedation so jumped on Golota at the opening bell... which in theory was the correct thing to do yet Golota was in no fit state of mind to be allowed into a boxing ring that night so that victory of Lewis's is tainted.

you claim i have venom against Lewis the Canadian former champion yet my comments sum him up to the tee, Lewis ran like a dog (like i described) from every possible opponent who was at the "Top of their Game" throughout his entire career... who did Lewis ever fight who was "At the Top of their Game"?

Who are the greatest victories of Lennox Lewis career compaired to Mike Tyson's career?

easier than shelling peas this.

[SBleeder]

How is there a double standard ?, I'm not a Tyson fan by the way but I am a Spinks fan, Tyson took the 0 of a very skilled boxer and he deserves praise for that, why should he be "crucified" for it ?, because Spinks was scared and not in his prime ?.

Forza said that there are only 3 legit names on his resume Lewis, Holyfield and Holmes, I was just adding Spinks.

Spinks is an all-time great p4p fighter, a good heavyweight, not a great heavyweight.

The point is that when people discredit Lewis' win over Tyson, they are being completely hypocritical if they simultaneously give Tyson heaps of credit for beating Spinks. Nobody gives Holmes many accolades for beating Ali.

[CiganoBoxer]

tyson was created by clever marketing by looking explosive against bums. There are 3 legit names on his resume.

1.lennox lewis
2. holyfield
3.larry holmes

got destroyed by lewis, destroyed by holyfield 2 times, and beat a washed up holmes.

END OF THREAD

[Toney616]

tyson was created by clever marketing by looking explosive against bums. There are 3 legit names on his resume.

1.lennox lewis
2. holyfield
3.larry holmes

got destroyed by lewis, destroyed by holyfield 2 times, and beat a washed up holmes.

That's some serious hating dude, lol
off topic: Hilarious Mayweather quote as well

[Kid McCoy]

Once again you have not been truthful but twisted the truth to suit your agenda..

Pot, kettle, black?

you trash Bowe for fighting ex champion Michael Dokes & Jesse Ferguson who had just beaten Ray Mercer in Mercer's last fight before fighting Lennox Lewis yet Dokes and Ferguson was vastly superior opponents than the fighters Lennox Lewis chose to defend his WBC title against in :
Phillip Jackson (who)?
Henry Akinwande (who)?
Zeljko Mavrovic (who)?
Frans Botha
Michael Grant

What was these fighters claim to fame?... who had any of them beaten to deserve a world title fight?..was they better and more worthy than Ferguson or Dokes... NO

I've already been over the Grant and Botha fights. Why not actually respond to my comments? Lewis didn't even want the Mavrovic fight but he was a mandatory and would have been stripped for not facing him. Then you'd be here now ranting about Lewis being scared of Mavrovic.

Mercer's last fight before Lewis was Holyfield. The Ferguson fight was in 1993, Lewis fought him in 1996.

Name anyone except you, Newman or Bowe who thought Dokes was a worthy title opponent.

You put up 2 links about Lewis being stripped of the WBA title if he fought Grant and the No1 contender Ruiz would then fight Holyfield.. But those links was written "BEFORE" the link i put up which said Lewis could keep his title as long as he agreed to fight Ruiz on July 15th 2000 and that he could go ahead and fight Michael Grant.... Lewis fought Grant in April 2000 then fought Frans Botha on the 15th July 2000 with Ruiz not facing Holyfield unto August 2000 which was after the WBA had stripped Lewis for refusing to fight John Ruiz and fighting Frans Botha instead.... Here is the link:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4529125.html

One of my links was from 13th April, yours was from 14th March. You work it out.

Those ratings you have put up are the Ring ratings not the WBA ratings.. where is The Klitschko Brothers in those ratings?

I'll take the Ring's ratings over the WBA's, thanks. The same WBA who had Ruiz as their permanent #1 contender for almost a decade win, lose or draw.

Lewis in a SKY TV interview 2 weeks ago claimed he "Avoided" Michael Moorer... was Lewis lying?

Whatever Lewis says now, he wanted the fight at the time. After beating Holyfield, Moorer said he had no interest in unifying the title. Was he lying?

This link of yours below:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ko_lennox.html

Say's Lewis beat Holyfield (the man) who beat Tyson (the man) who beat the man all the way back to John L Sullivan so is the true champion of the world and should not have to fight Ruiz the No1 contender.... But Rid**** Bowe was the Man who beat the man who beat the man back in 1992 yet Lewis who was No1 contender and an unknown was demanding 50/50 and options on Bowe with you claiming Bowe was "Scared of Lewis".. yet also claim Lewis was not "Scared of Ruiz" yet looking back at Bowe & Ruiz career's John Ruiz was way more successful than Rid**** Bowe was and has proved to be a very dangerous champion & contender and like it or not that was mine and many other boxing fans feelings back in 2000 when Lewis chose to fight Grant & Botha rather than Ruiz & Byrd who was the No1 contenders, because Ruiz & Byrd have both turned out to be vastly superior to Botha & Grant and it was plain to see back in 2000 that was the case, with Grant being fortunate to survive the opening round against Andrew Golota with Golota going on to Quit in that fight and Botha never beating any fighter of worth in his career as well as being unranked by any governing body including your Ring Ratings...

What "options" was Lewis demanding from Bowe? Lewis only wanted 50-50 when he was champion in his own right. He was willing to take the short end of the purse in 1993, just not the chump's split that Bowe was offering.

You're viewing things in hindsight again. Grant's win over Golota trumped anything Ruiz had done to that point. At the time Ruiz was a nobody whose high rating owed more to Don King than anything he'd done in the ring. Which of Ruiz' wins prior to 2001 made you think he'd be any good? Thomas Williams? Fernely Feliz? Mario Cawley? Which of those wins made him worthy of being #1 contender?

You claim that Lewis constantly sought out tough fights with the likes of Tony Tucker... you must be having a laugh, here is what Eddie Futch said of that fight:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/a...f&pqatl=google

What would you honestly expect Bowe's trainer to say about one of his main rivals? Think Roger Mayweather would ever say something positive about Pacquiao? Futch also predicted Duane Bobick would beat Ken Norton. Tucker was also a mandatory and showed in his performance that he was a worthier opponent than Dokes or Ferguson.

Yet you claim it was a tough fight.. Lewis then fought one Phillip Jackson, Frank Bruno and got poleaxed by Oliver McCall.. yet you claim those was the toughest fights he could find , while at the same time the rankings had, Holmes, Moorer, Withersoopn, Bowe, Holyfield, Foreman, Sanders with as you claim them all terrified to fight Lewis..here is another link:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ewman-dan-duva

And what happened when Lewis/Duva followed up that offer? Bowe and Newman made offers to save face, but they were always designed for Lewis to refuse them. Which other fighter do you know of who demanded a fighter relinquish his title before he would face him?

Witherspoon was never a major factor in the 90s, Foreman, Moorer and Bowe weren't interested in Lewis and the Holyfield fight kept getting derailed. Who was he supposed to fight?

Andrew Golota was sedated in his dressing room after taking one of his well known of "Panic Attacks" Golota asked for a 30 minute reprieve before going into the ring which was refused, The Lewis camp got word of the panic attack and sedation so jumped on Golota at the opening bell... which in theory was the correct thing to do yet Golota was in no fit state of mind to be allowed into a boxing ring that night so that victory of Lewis's is tainted.

Nothing if not predictable. You have more excuses than Roy Jones, and just as much hot air. Max Bear had a panic attack prior to facing Joe Louis and had to be persuaded to leave the dressing room by Jack Dempsey. Does Louis get no credit for that win?

you claim i have venom against Lewis the Canadian former champion yet my comments sum him up to the tee, Lewis ran like a dog (like i described) from every possible opponent who was at the "Top of their Game" throughout his entire career... who did Lewis ever fight who was "At the Top of their Game"?

Yes I think you have a genuine hatred of Lewis, way beyond not rating him as a fighter. Why even pretend otherwise? It comes out in every post. Why is that? And once again, do you have a particular problem with a London-born "Canadian" calling himself a Brit?

easier than shelling peas this.

More like shooting fish in a barrel.

[StarshipTrooper]

How is there a double standard ?, I'm not a Tyson fan by the way but I am a Spinks fan, Tyson took the 0 of a very skilled boxer and he deserves praise for that, why should he be "crucified" for it ?, because Spinks was scared and not in his prime ?.

Forza said that there are only 3 legit names on his resume Lewis, Holyfield and Holmes, I was just adding Spinks.

It's a doubled standard because if you removed the name "Tyson" and substituted the name of any other Heavyweight champion then Tyson's fan-bois would be ripping that fighter for fighting a blown-up past-prime Light-Heavy who was scared ****less.

Poet

[Toney616]

It's a doubled standard because if you removed the name "Tyson" and substituted the name of any other Heavyweight champion then Tyson's fan-bois would be ripping that fighter for fighting a blown-up past-prime Light-Heavy who was scared ****less.

Poet

When did Spinks's prime end?

[StarshipTrooper]

When did Spinks's prime end?

When he left the Light-Heavyweight division.

[Toney616]

When he left the Light-Heavyweight division.

He still looked very good against Holmes imo, he might of slowed down a bit due to carrying that extra weight

off topic:
die antwood=bull conner?