Lennox Lewis ''Mike Tyson Was A One Dimensional Boxer''

[The Surgeon]

Tyson wasnt one dimensional, Well... he was when he fought Lewis But not in his prime.

He was never the type to dance and jab his way to a win off the back foot but that does not mean he was one dimensional. Not by a long shot

[Kid McCoy]

HBO an obstacle.. don't make me laugh

Lewis was coming off a 2 round KO loss to a former Tyson sparring partner, he turned down a huge money offer to fight Rid**** Bowe in 1995 then turned down fighting Tyson in early 96 the bottom line is that Lewis only ever fought exposed bums and journeymen his greatest 2 victories in his career was a disputed points win over a well past it Evander Holyfield and an 8rd KO of the shell of Mike Tyson who both Danny Williams & Kevin McBride also beat in quicker and more devastating fashion... you are dumber than i though if you sincerely believe Moorer, Foreman, Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson, Sanders, Holmes who all held the heavyweight title during the 1990s all avoided Lennox Lewis who Oliver McCall poleaxed in less than 2rds with a fight against any single one of those fighters being a career highest payday for Lewis.... Frank Maloney and the Lewis camp always knew that Lewis had a dodgy chin from early in his career.

So you're now dis*****g what your own article says? Make up your mind. More like Roy Jones was the obstacle. Remind me how many heavyweights he fought after Ruiz. That the best article you can find is one that mentions Lewis actually accepting an offer speaks volumes.

You showed in that Greb thread that not even the facts will get in the way of your opinion. Whilst moaning about biased Lewis fans, in your completely unbiased and rational way you claim everyone Lewis fought was old, or shot, or fat, or exposed, or unlucky, or a bum, or robbed, or struck by a bolt of lightning, but of course Lewis wasn't old or shot when he lost at age 36 or when he had a hard fight at age 37. And of course Lewis was in no way robbed against Holyfield or the victim of a questionable stoppage against McCall. Your spinning would make Alistair Campbell blush.

Bowe vacated his belt when Lewis was the mandatory and fought two turkeys after offering Lewis $3m of HBO's $32m purse. What better way to kill a fight than to price yourself out of it? Since Bowe missed every top heavyweight of the 90s bar Holyfield, that tells me a lot about his desire to fight Lewis or anyone else dangerous. If Lewis fought Holmes or Foreman, they'd be two more old men you'd trash him for facing. Moorer could have unified with Lewis after beating Holy. He instead chose a 45 year old, who KO'd him. Sanders??

You never did explain how Holyfield could be "well past it" against Lewis but still good enough to win his next fight against John Ruiz, you know the terror of the division who you think Lewis was ducking like mad. Nor why you think Lewis should have faced 40-somethings like Holmes, Bonecrusher and Witherspoon when you already rave about him facing mid-30s fighters. Or how Lewis vacating his belts is ducking but Tyson and Bowe doing the same isn't. Or how you can trash Lewis for fighting journeymen and then say he should have fought Lamon Brewster and Herbie Hide. Or how Holmes wasn't badly hurt against Snipes but Lewis was against McCall.

[CiganoBoxer]

Lewis on the other hand was sent to the ICU in just a couple of short rounds by Tyson's sparring partner .

wasn't that the same sparring partner that was also beating the **** out of tyson knocking him down every time they sparred ?
Didn't the press witness this to ??
good job Tyson didn't fight him then

[sonnyboyx2]

So you're now dis*****g what your own article says? Make up your mind. More like Roy Jones was the obstacle. Remind me how many heavyweights he fought after Ruiz. That the best article you can find is one that mentions Lewis actually accepting an offer speaks volumes.

You showed in that Greb thread that not even the facts will get in the way of your opinion. Whilst moaning about biased Lewis fans, in your completely unbiased and rational way you claim everyone Lewis fought was old, or shot, or fat, or exposed, or unlucky, or a bum, or robbed, or struck by a bolt of lightning, but of course Lewis wasn't old or shot when he lost at age 36 or when he had a hard fight at age 37. And of course Lewis was in no way robbed against Holyfield or the victim of a questionable stoppage against McCall. Your spinning would make Alistair Campbell blush.

Bowe vacated his belt when Lewis was the mandatory and fought two turkeys after offering Lewis $3m of HBO's $32m purse. What better way to kill a fight than to price yourself out of it? Since Bowe missed every top heavyweight of the 90s bar Holyfield, that tells me a lot about his desire to fight Lewis or anyone else dangerous. If Lewis fought Holmes or Foreman, they'd be two more old men you'd trash him for facing. Moorer could have unified with Lewis after beating Holy. He instead chose a 45 year old, who KO'd him. Sanders??

You never did explain how Holyfield could be "well past it" against Lewis but still good enough to win his next fight against John Ruiz, you know the terror of the division who you think Lewis was ducking like mad. Nor why you think Lewis should have faced 40-somethings like Holmes, Bonecrusher and Witherspoon when you already rave about him facing mid-30s fighters. Or how Lewis vacating his belts is ducking but Tyson and Bowe doing the same isn't. Or how you can trash Lewis for fighting journeymen and then say he should have fought Lamon Brewster and Herbie Hide. Or how Holmes wasn't badly hurt against Snipes but Lewis was against McCall.

you said HBO was the obstacle in your previous post..how canthey be an obstacle, like you said Lewis fought Grant coz HBO wanted him too.... HBO want Pacquiao to fight Mayweather. will that stop Pacquiao fighting Mosely.

You must love me so much coz all you seem to do on this forum is follow me around the forum replying to my comments and i make you look foolish on a daily basis, so keep it up McCoy your making me look good.

The recognized 5 greatest heavyweights in the world between 1992-1997 was Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Foreman & Moorer all of who held "The Undisputed Heavyweight Championship of the World" That is a Fact... Yet you claim they was all terrified to fight Lennox Lewis who was poleaxed in less than 2rds by journeyman Oliver McCall, who had been given a boxing lesson and was thought fortunate to beat Frank Bruno, who had struggled to beat Ray Mercer who old Larry Holmes had just schooled at 43yrs of age and who had just lost by a landslide to Jesse Ferguson who Rid**** Bowe had nearly crucified in less than 2rds with most thinking Mercer was the winner... Ho how Lennox Lewis struck fear into those Champions.

Holyfield was well past it when he beat Ruiz yet that does not take away the fact that Lewis was stripped of the WBA title for refusing to fight No1 contender John Ruiz, the same Ruiz who had floored Lewis when a sparring partner for him in the run up to Lewis vs McCall in 1994.. you quick to trash Rid**** Bowe for dropping his belt in the bin but not Lewis for ducking every No1 contender.. Here is a link which blows your claim of Bowe offering %10 out of the water, yet you claim Bowe is lying... why would he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

Lewis fought the great Frans Botha instead of John Ruiz and fought journeman Hasim Rahman instead of No1 contender Chris Byrd with Lewis getting poleaxed by the journeyman... i am surprised you don't claim the referee counted to fast in the Rahman fight (he could have counted to 100) and Lewis would not have beat the count.. Hasim Rahman the worst heavyweight champion of all time.

[Kid McCoy]

you said HBO was the obstacle in your previous post..how canthey be an obstacle, like you said Lewis fought Grant coz HBO wanted him too.... HBO want Pacquiao to fight Mayweather. will that stop Pacquiao fighting Mosely.

I never said that. Murad Muhammad said it in the article you sent me. He also said Lewis accepted his offer to face Jones. Or do you want just want to cherry pick whatever suits your argument? Again.

You must love me so much coz all you seem to do on this forum is follow me around the forum replying to my comments and i make you look foolish on a daily basis, so keep it up McCoy your making me look good.

I'm glad I make you look good because you sure don't. It was quite amusing to see you post a segment from Tunney's autobiography where he basically agreed with what I was saying. You spoke to me first in the Greb thread and you responded to me first here. Who's really following who around?

The recognized 5 greatest heavyweights in the world between 1992-1997 was Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Foreman & Moorer all of who held "The Undisputed Heavyweight Championship of the World" That is a Fact... Yet you claim they was all terrified to fight Lennox Lewis who was poleaxed in less than 2rds by journeyman Oliver McCall, who had been given a boxing lesson and was thought fortunate to beat Frank Bruno, who had struggled to beat Ray Mercer who old Larry Holmes had just schooled at 43yrs of age and who had just lost by a landslide to Jesse Ferguson who Rid**** Bowe had nearly crucified in less than 2rds with most thinking Mercer was the winner... Ho how Lennox Lewis struck fear into those Champions.

Foreman and Moorer were not interested in Lewis. Bowe's avoiding of Lewis and virtually every other top heavyweight is also well documented. I never said Holy was scared of Lewis. I believe he would have fought Lewis had he beaten Bowe the first time and they also had an agreement to meet before Holy lost to Moorer and retired for a year. It was just bad timing and untimely losses which kept derailing the fight.

Holyfield was well past it when he beat Ruiz yet that does not take away the fact that Lewis was stripped of the WBA title for refusing to fight No1 contender John Ruiz, the same Ruiz who had floored Lewis when a sparring partner for him in the run up to Lewis vs McCall in 1994.. you quick to trash Rid**** Bowe for dropping his belt in the bin but not Lewis for ducking every No1 contender.. Here is a link which blows your claim of Bowe offering %10 out of the water, yet you claim Bowe is lying... why would he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

So a well past it Holyfield still had enough to beat the fearsome John Ruiz. Either Holy wasn't that past it or Ruiz just wasn't that fearsome. Which is it?

Bowe can say whatever he likes, just like Lewis can say whatever he likes about Tyson. The 90-10 purse split was well documented at the time and looks to me like an attempt to price Bowe out of the fight and allow him to take a few easier defences, which is exactly what he did. Tyson was dropped in sparring by Greg Page. Did Tyson fight Page? Ali was dropped in sparring by Eddie Brooks. Did Ali fight Brooks? A sparring session proves nothing, if it even happened at all.

Lewis fought the great Frans Botha instead of John Ruiz and fought journeman Hasim Rahman instead of No1 contender Chris Byrd with Lewis getting poleaxed by the journeyman... i am surprised you don't claim the referee counted to fast in the Rahman fight (he could have counted to 100) and Lewis would not have beat the count.. Hasim Rahman the worst heavyweight champion of all time.

Yeah he took a stop-gap bout between the big fights with Grant and Tua against a guy who had just given Tyson a hard time, you know the Tyson you think Lewis was still running scared of. Ruiz vs Holy for the WBA belt was already in motion when Lewis signed for Botha.

Lewis ditched his belt to take bigger fights. Bowe ditched his belt to take on two journeymen, which he was heavily criticized for. What would you say if Lewis fought Dokes and Ferguson? Only you and the WBA thought Ruiz was higher ranked than Grant when that fight happened. And who had Ruiz beaten to become #1 contender? Jerry Ballard, Mario Cawley, Fernely Feliz and Thomas Williams. Daunting stuff.

No unlike you I don't make up daft excuses for every Lewis fight. He got nailed with a huge punch and lost, although I add at an age when you regard Tucker, Holy and Tyson as completely shot when they fought Lewis. By the way, is that the same Rahman who Vitali was supposedly ducking a few years later?

[sonnyboyx2]

I never said that. Murad Muhammad said it in the article you sent me. He also said Lewis accepted his offer to face Jones. Or do you want just want to cherry pick whatever suits your argument? Again.



I'm glad I make you look good because you sure don't. It was quite amusing to see you post a segment from Tunney's autobiography where he basically agreed with what I was saying. You spoke to me first in the Greb thread and you responded to me first here. Who's really following who around?



Foreman and Moorer were not interested in Lewis. Bowe's avoiding of Lewis and virtually every other top heavyweight is also well documented. I never said Holy was scared of Lewis. I believe he would have fought Lewis had he beaten Bowe the first time and they also had an agreement to meet before Holy lost to Moorer and retired for a year. It was just bad timing and untimely losses which kept derailing the fight.



So a well past it Holyfield still had enough to beat the fearsome John Ruiz. Either Holy wasn't that past it or Ruiz just wasn't that fearsome. Which is it?

Bowe can say whatever he likes, just like Lewis can say whatever he likes about Tyson. The 90-10 purse split was well documented at the time and looks to me like an attempt to price Bowe out of the fight and allow him to take a few easier defences, which is exactly what he did. Tyson was dropped in sparring by Greg Page. Did Tyson fight Page? Ali was dropped in sparring by Eddie Brooks. Did Ali fight Brooks? A sparring session proves nothing, if it even happened at all.



Yeah he took a stop-gap bout between the big fights with Grant and Tua against a guy who had just given Tyson a hard time, you know the Tyson you think Lewis was still running scared of. Ruiz vs Holy for the WBA belt was already in motion when Lewis signed for Botha.

Lewis ditched his belt to take bigger fights. Bowe ditched his belt to take on two journeymen, which he was heavily criticized for. What would you say if Lewis fought Dokes and Ferguson? Only you and the WBA thought Ruiz was higher ranked than Grant when that fight happened. And who had Ruiz beaten to become #1 contender? Jerry Ballard, Mario Cawley, Fernely Feliz and Thomas Williams. Daunting stuff.

No unlike you I don't make up daft excuses for every Lewis fight. He got nailed with a huge punch and lost, although I add at an age when you regard Tucker, Holy and Tyson as completely shot when they fought Lewis. By the way, is that the same Rahman who Vitali was supposedly ducking a few years later?

so what you are claiming here is that Michael Grant is the superior fighter to John Ruiz... the same John Ruiz who is a 3 time Heavyweight champion who was robbed of decisions in Germany against Valuev (twice) and Chagaev and was on a virtually 10yr unbeaten streak, the same Ruiz who floored and beat Holyfield something Lennox Lewis never came near to doing, but you claim Michael Grant & Frans Botha are better and more deserving fighters...Lewis could have fought Grant and still held onto his Heavyweight Title by fighting Jon Ruiz on 15.7.2000 yet take a guess who Lewis actually fought on that date.. Here is the link as proof:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4529125.html

You say Moorer was not interested in Lewis yet in the latest interview with Lennox Lewis on SKY TV Lewis claims he "avoided" Michael Moorer... so who is right, you or Lewis?...Not a single boxing fan worldwide would believe your claim of Bowe offering Lewis 10% in 1993 even in the Bowe interview Bowe claims they offered him the same deal which Bowe himself had accepted to fight Holyfield which was 75/25 yet Lewis wanted options on Bowe's next fights and a 50/50 purse split with the Undisputed Champion which was a clear case of "pricing himself out" Lewis and his camp knew they stood zero chance against Rid**** Bowe in 1993... you claim Bowe fought two journeymen in Dokes & Ferguson... well you cannot have been following the sport of boxing for long if you do not know that Dokes was a former champion ranked No2 in the world and on a 10 fight unbeaten streak when Bowe destroyed him in the opening round and that Ferguson had just easily beaten Ray Mercer who was the No1 contender so Bowe destroyed Ferguson in less than 2rds which is how the champion should take care of journeymen fighters by destroying them early "Showing them who the boss is".. Yet Lennox Lewis went and fought and struggled with the man Jesse Ferguson had just easily beaten... and to this day 16yrs later fight fans claim Lewis lost the fight..

You seem to think all fighters was afraid of Lennox Lewis yet the reality of it all is that Lewis was thought of as nothing more than a mediocre fighter who would be destroyed the first time he was to fight any top fighter who was "At the Top of his Game"... Lewis opponents throughout his career prove that he never once fought a top fighter who was "At the Top of his Game" unlike the Top 5 in Bowe, Holyfield, Moorer, Foreman & Tyson... and when Lewis was forced into a corner where there was no other option for him other that to fight a fighter who was "At the Top of his Game" in the No1 contenders John Ruiz & Chris Byrd he ran away like the dog that he has always been and had the title belts stripped from him... now you can try to look for angles to give you some kind of reprieve on this subject but the truth is exactly how i have stated it and you know that is the truth as does boxing fans the world over which is why Canadian Lennox Lewis is reviled by boxing fans as an opportunist who avoided all the top fighters.

[sweetpain]

great interview. thanks.

[CiganoBoxer]

great interview. thanks.

**** off alt "peeleft:

[Kid McCoy]

so what you are claiming here is that Michael Grant is the superior fighter to John Ruiz... the same John Ruiz who is a 3 time Heavyweight champion who was robbed of decisions in Germany against Valuev (twice) and Chagaev and was on a virtually 10yr unbeaten streak, the same Ruiz who floored and beat Holyfield something Lennox Lewis never came near to doing, but you claim Michael Grant & Frans Botha are better and more deserving fighters...Lewis could have fought Grant and still held onto his Heavyweight Title by fighting Jon Ruiz on 15.7.2000 yet take a guess who Lewis actually fought on that date.. Here is the link as proof:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4529125.html

You're looking at Ruiz in hindsight. He was not a "three time champion" in 2000 and had not beaten any contender of note. Look at those last five opponents prior to Holy. Since when does beating Thomas Williams and Mario Cawley make one the top contender? Yes he later proved to be a better heavyweight than Grant but at the time Grant was the bigger name and the bigger fight, and that was why Lewis took it. If Ruiz was known at all it was for being a highlight reel Tua KO. Here are the Ring's rankings for April 2000:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Michael Grant
4. David Tua
5. Mike Tyson
6. Andrew Golota
7. Oleg Maskaev
8. Chris Byrd
9. David Izon
10. Derrick Jefferson

Even your own link only says they "reportedly" wouldn't strip him when you can find a hundred other links saying Lewis would be stripped regardless for fighting Grant.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/USAToday...t&pqatl=google

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ko_lennox.html

You say Moorer was not interested in Lewis yet in the latest interview with Lennox Lewis on SKY TV Lewis claims he "avoided" Michael Moorer... so who is right, you or Lewis?...

After Moorer beat Holyfield, Moorer was asked if he would unify with Lewis. He responded that he was going to fight who he wanted, not who someone else wanted. It turned out he wanted to fight an inactive 45 year old. Are you going to ignore Moorer's own words and actions?

Not a single boxing fan worldwide would believe your claim of Bowe offering Lewis 10% in 1993 even in the Bowe interview Bowe claims they offered him the same deal which Bowe himself had accepted to fight Holyfield which was 75/25 yet Lewis wanted options on Bowe's next fights and a 50/50 purse split with the Undisputed Champion which was a clear case of "pricing himself out" Lewis and his camp knew they stood zero chance against Rid**** Bowe in 1993...

I posted links to Newman's 90-10 offer, which as usual you ignored, and another link saying Lewis would accept a 75-25 offer, which you also ignored. In the end, sick of being jerked around by Bowe and Newman, Lewis took the Tucker fight for more than he was being offered by Bowe. That Lewis constantly sought out tough fights and Bowe missed nearly all the top 90s heavyweights tells me a lot about who was avoiding who. Oddly enough, of all those guys Lewis supposedly ducked, Bowe didn't fight any of them either. Not Tyson, not Moorer, not Foreman, not Holmes, nor Mercer, Ruddock, Morrison or McCall. Why was that?

you claim Bowe fought two journeymen in Dokes & Ferguson... well you cannot have been following the sport of boxing for long if you do not know that Dokes was a former champion ranked No2 in the world and on a 10 fight unbeaten streak when Bowe destroyed him in the opening round and that Ferguson had just easily beaten Ray Mercer who was the No1 contender so Bowe destroyed Ferguson in less than 2rds which is how the champion should take care of journeymen fighters by destroying them early "Showing them who the boss is".. Yet Lennox Lewis went and fought and struggled with the man Jesse Ferguson had just easily beaten... and to this day 16yrs later fight fans claim Lewis lost the fight..

If you followed boxing as much as you claim, you'd know Dokes was champion in 1983. Bowe fought him in 1993, when Dokes most certainly was not the #2 contender or any factor in the division. Maybe he should have fought John Tate too. Check out who that 10 fight win streak was against... Danny Sutton, Percell Davis, Barry Forbes, Danny Wofford, Tyrone Armstrong, and none other than Jesse Ferguson. What a terror. This article is a more accurate reflection of how the fight was regarded:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...7436/index.htm

And if you want to use triangular logic, I could just as easily mention Golota who beat the snot out of Bowe twice and was KO'd easily by Lewis. Yes I know, Golota stubbed his toe en route to the ring which removes any credit due to Lewis.

You seem to think all fighters was afraid of Lennox Lewis yet the reality of it all is that Lewis was thought of as nothing more than a mediocre fighter who would be destroyed the first time he was to fight any top fighter who was "At the Top of his Game"... Lewis opponents throughout his career prove that he never once fought a top fighter who was "At the Top of his Game" unlike the Top 5 in Bowe, Holyfield, Moorer, Foreman & Tyson... and when Lewis was forced into a corner where there was no other option for him other that to fight a fighter who was "At the Top of his Game" in the No1 contenders John Ruiz & Chris Byrd he ran away like the dog that he has always been and had the title belts stripped from him... now you can try to look for angles to give you some kind of reprieve on this subject but the truth is exactly how i have stated it and you know that is the truth as does boxing fans the world over which is why Canadian Lennox Lewis is reviled by boxing fans as an opportunist who avoided all the top fighters.

Such venom. Which begs the question of what your real problem with Lewis is. It's obvious you aren't just a critic of his ability and career, but you have major personal issues with the man, genuine loathing judging by those last comments. You even contradict yourself and ignore established facts just to stick the boot in. And do you have a particular problem with a "Canadian" calling himself British?

[Forza]

tyson was created by clever marketing by looking explosive against bums. There are 3 legit names on his resume.

1.lennox lewis
2. holyfield
3.larry holmes

got destroyed by lewis, destroyed by holyfield 2 times, and beat a washed up holmes.