Larry Holmes and Wladimir Klitschko. Titlereign comparison.

[QueensburyRules]

So you're trying to say Holy was unlicensed between 1999 until he lost to Toney, being in the top 10 the whole time? Your timeline really sucks.

- - As I told you before, you're timeline illiterate. Whatever you say is just the cherry on your creampuff...

[JAB5239]

- - As I told you before, you're timeline illiterate. Whatever you say is just the cherry on your creampuff...

Oh, so you're not saying he was unlicensed during that time frame, you're just saying the K's didn't want to fight him to enhance their legacy during that time, is that it? You saying there was a time Evander was suspended doesn't mean that there wasn't a time they could have fought. Get it?

[Ivich]

Kohl made plenty offers back when the Klitschko was up and coming. Idk if I can be arsed to find proofs to you as it should be of no surprise to sober people that the risk reward ratio was hard to satisfy for anglos point of view.

Well if you can't be arsed to provide proof perhaps you shouldn't make statements you have no intention of backing up with evidence?
What's with the," sober people," comment ? Is that for me? I haven't had a drink since Saturday,and won't till this coming Saturday.

I don't understand the," anglos point of view," jibe,can you clarify it for me please?

Esteemed writer Jerry Izenberg, who covered all the heavyweight greats, says there is no question about it, Holmes-Norton round 15 is the greatest heavyweight round he ever saw: “The greatest 15th round in a heavyweight championship fight was the Larry Holmes-Ken Norton fight,” Izenberg told this writer this year. “Both guys had a handicap going into that fight. Holmes had a torn muscle in his left bicep. Holmes’ money-punch was his left jab. Norton, he was tough and strong but he could never handle, or stand up to, a big puncher. In this fight, Norton’s team had managed to persuade him that Holmes was not a big puncher. Holmes didn’t care anymore about getting hit in his bicep in the last round, he knew the fight, the title, was up for grabs in the last round of the fight!

Source: 43 Years Ago: When Holmes And Norton Went Through Hell; And Gave Us An Incomparable Heavyweight Classic - Boxing News 24/7 (https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...classic/180376)
Izenberg goes into detail about Holmes injury in his great book," Once Were Giants".

[Ivich]

I think Holyfield would have been brutally ko’ed by both.

It's possible, but if Vitali could not ko Chisora , or Briggs. I doubt he does Holyfield.

[JAB5239]

I think Holyfield would have been brutally ko’ed by both.

Maybe, but he wasnt stopped by Lewis who I think was a better puncher and boxer than either K. Who knows for sure. At this point the topic of who would win is solely opinion from either side.

[Ivich]

- - Are admitting you fought your ama career with a hemorrhoid and leaking frontal lobe?

More hickory ****ory dock the mouse ran up the clock, puerile nonsense.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Poor Holy turned down a decent Tyson offer for their trilogy as an insult to his dwindling finances to get KOed by Toney for nothing,

Ks ain't gonna fight an unlicensed Field, as losing a public relation proposition as can be had. Field was also a DKing fighter, and they wouldn't fight a DKing fighter any more. When IBF champ Bryd ran out his poverty stricken contract with King as the IBF champ, Wlad gave him a good payday and took his belt.

- - Gonna make a rare correction here in that was a Roy offer to Field after Roy whooped Ruiz, not a Tyson offer. Roy was maneuvering into a $100 Mil purse vs Lewis and saw Holy as a means to an end. So Vander turns down Roy to go get knocked out in an embarrassing fight. All fighters mentioned were DKing fighters, but Roy ended up ditching King by not fighting until his contract ran out.

[Ivich]

I think Holyfield would have been brutally ko’ed by both.

1999
Holyfield no 1
V Klitschko no 7

2000
Holyfield no 4
W Klitschko no 7

2001
W Klitschko no1
Holyfield no6

2002
W Klitschko no1
Holyfield no 4
V Klitschko no 7

In 99 no 7 ranked Vitali fought
Hide unranked
Mahone unranked
Sullivan unranked

In 99 Holyfield fought Lewis no 1 x2

In 2001
Holyfield no 4 fought unranked Ruiz x2

In 2001 Wlad no 1 fought
Jefferson unranked
Shufford unranked

In2002

Holyfield no6 fought
Rahman no9
Byrd no 10

In 2002
Wlad no 1 fought
Botha unranked
McCline no 8
Mercer unranked

Vitali no7 fought
Donald unranked
Bean unranked

[BattlingNelson]

Well if you can't be arsed to provide proof perhaps you shouldn't make statements you have no intention of backing up with evidence?
What's with the," sober people," comment ? Is that for me? I haven't had a drink since Saturday,and won't till this coming Saturday.

I don't understand the," anglos point of view," jibe,can you clarify it for me please?

Esteemed writer Jerry Izenberg, who covered all the heavyweight greats, says there is no question about it, Holmes-Norton round 15 is the greatest heavyweight round he ever saw: “The greatest 15th round in a heavyweight championship fight was the Larry Holmes-Ken Norton fight,” Izenberg told this writer this year. “Both guys had a handicap going into that fight. Holmes had a torn muscle in his left bicep. Holmes’ money-punch was his left jab. Norton, he was tough and strong but he could never handle, or stand up to, a big puncher. In this fight, Norton’s team had managed to persuade him that Holmes was not a big puncher. Holmes didn’t care anymore about getting hit in his bicep in the last round, he knew the fight, the title, was up for grabs in the last round of the fight!

Source: 43 Years Ago: When Holmes And Norton Went Through Hell; And Gave Us An Incomparable Heavyweight Classic - Boxing News 24/7 (https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...classic/180376)
Izenberg goes into detail about Holmes injury in his great book," Once Were Giants".

You are correct. I shouldn't have put it out. I thought it was common knowledge, but I was wrong. I have no time to run through the german papers in a long searchproces. I retract it.

[Dr. Z]

1999
Holyfield no 1
V Klitschko no 7

2000
Holyfield no 4
W Klitschko no 7

2001
W Klitschko no1
Holyfield no6

2002
W Klitschko no1
Holyfield no 4
V Klitschko no 7

In 99 no 7 ranked Vitali fought
Hide unranked
Mahone unranked
Sullivan unranked

In 99 Holyfield fought Lewis no 1 x2

In 2001
Holyfield no 4 fought unranked Ruiz x2

In 2001 Wlad no 1 fought
Jefferson unranked
Shufford unranked

In2002

Holyfield no6 fought
Rahman no9
Byrd no 10

In 2002
Wlad no 1 fought
Botha unranked
McCline no 8
Mercer unranked

Vitali no7 fought
Donald unranked
Bean unranked

When did Holyfield ever considered Vitali to be an opponent??? Do you at least have a newspaper clipping of the fight of the offer? By the way Larry Donald easily beat Holyfield. Just because a guy as ranked does not mean he has to fight him, nor does it mean there were offers for the fight. Press on you clown.