The greatest in the Super and Junior weight classes?

[Cardinal Buck]

Absolutely absurd.

Ezzard Charles was never Champion.

The only reason Froch isn't #1 is because the inevitable greatest Super MW is in the division. But as of right now, his résumé is better.

I don't see anyone with a better resume than Froch at #1 thus Froch is currently #1

The fact that Froch lost to a worse version of Kessler than Calzaghe beat doesn't sit well with me.

[Cardinal Buck]

Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield- I just can't see no other choice.

Super Middlewight: Joe Calzaghe- Roy was probably as close to unbeatable as you can get in this weiht-class IMO. However, he didn't have the longevity in this weight-class to be call the greatest ever. Calzaghe did and unified the division I rank him the best.

Junior Middleweight: Mike McCallum- However, I keep switching between him and Hearns.

Junior Welterweight: Julio Cesar Chavez- However, Cervantez and Locche had a good case to be here.

Super featherweight: Alexis Arguello- El flaco explosivo was just that explosive.

Super Bantamweight: Wifredo Gomez- IMO he had a better run than Morales.

Super Flyweight:Khaosai Galaxy

Junior Flyweight: Humberto Gonzalez/Michael Carbajal- Can't decide which guy is on top.

Strawweight: Ricardo Lopez- Hands down no other choice can be made. Somehow like Holyfield case at cruiserweight. It could have a lot to do with the 2 divisions not having a rich history.

Excellent list. My only point of contention is that I think Floyd has Arguello covered h2h by a pretty decent margin and has a solid (but worse) resume there. It depends on what you're looking for.

[Anthony342]

Steve Collins, Joe Calzaghe, RJJ, Chong Pal-Park, Andre Ward are all rated higher than Froch for 2 reasons

1) They all prevailed against their toughest tests. Froch hasn't.
2) They were considered #1, Froch is only considered #2.

I love Froch to death, but how can you rate him the greatest SMW of all times when he's never even been the champion. He's effectively just a glorified titleholder.

Something I've been wondering about Ward. Does he have many challengers left at 168 or will he have to soon move up to light heavy for some better challenges? Or should he continue to defend the lineal super middle title?

[Scott9945]

Something I've been wondering about Ward. Does he have many challengers left at 168 or will he have to soon move up to light heavy for some better challenges? Or should he continue to defend the lineal super middle title?

Like most fighters Ward will go wherever the best money is. I know he is trying to dump his promoter to sign with Top Rank and get a Chavez Jr. fight. Ward's biggest problem is that he has been injury prone.

[Anthony342]

So does that mean he cares more about making money than fighting the best opponents and contenders out there?

[Scott9945]

So does that mean he cares more about making money than fighting the best opponents and contenders out there?

I can only speculate, but my answer is yes. His desperation to get a Chavez fight shows that. Lowest risk/highest return is almost always the final choice. And that applies to the vast majority of other fighters too.

[IronDanHamza]

The fact that Froch lost to a worse version of Kessler than Calzaghe beat doesn't sit well with me.

Not sure what this means.

Style makes fights.

[LacedUp]

Absolutely absurd.

Ezzard Charles was never Champion.

The only reason Froch isn't #1 is because the inevitable greatest Super MW is in the division. But as of right now, his résumé is better.

I don't see anyone with a better resume than Froch at #1 thus Froch is currently #1

And Ezzard Charles is not the greatest HW of all times. There's nothing absurd about that.
Froch has a great resume, yes. But he's lost his two toughest tests - Ward & Kessler I.

Otherwise, half the boxing public thinks he lost against Dirrell too. Some think he drew his last fight against Kessler.

Froch is a great supermiddleweight - but I doubt anyone will agree with you, that as of this moment in time, Froch is the greatest of all times.

[soul_survivor]

I wouldn't put him at the top, but I'd give him a mention in the top 6-7.
But his abilities are very underrated, and he could beat anyone on his day imo which was proven in the first fight against Cervantes.

I put Cervantes slightly above JCC because his era was really the era for the LWW. JCC also have superb wins in Hector Camacho and Mayweather, but in my opinion was given a boxing lesson against Whitaker and then lost to Randall.

But it's tight between these two. Pryor is number three.

Agreed, Locche had terrific skills. JCC w#for me was just such a beast at the weight and I'm pretty sure he lost to Whitaker at 147? And I've always thought the JCC/Pea fight was far closer than some people make it out to be. My biggest problem with Whitaker and his style was that he relied too much on frustrating opponents with faints rather than actually getting off. It's what led him to lose to DLH.

[IronDanHamza]

And Ezzard Charles is not the greatest HW of all times. There's nothing absurd about that.
Froch has a great resume, yes. But he's lost his two toughest tests - Ward & Kessler I.

Otherwise, half the boxing public thinks he lost against Dirrell too. Some think he drew his last fight against Kessler.

Froch is a great supermiddleweight - but I doubt anyone will agree with you, that as of this moment in time, Froch is the greatest of all times.

No, but he's considered to be the greatest LHW of all time. Which was what I was referring to.

In actual fact, he did win the HW Title. So by your logic, he's a greater HW than he is a LHW, no?

Who do you rank higher at WW? Pacquaio or Baldomir? After all, Pacquaio's never actually won the belt. Baldomir has. All Pacquaio is a glorified title holder so he can't be ranked higher can he?

Saying "Some think he drew his last fight with Kessler" is about as meaningless as saying "Quite a lot though he won the first fight with Kessler"

In regards to people agreeing with me, most people considered Ward and Froch to be the consensus #1 and #2 after the Bute fight. Considering the short history of the SMW division. After his win over Kessler I'm sure it's cemented in a lot of people minds.

Tell me who has a better resume than him at 168 and then maybe I can take what you're saying seriously.

Not just "some people think he lost to Dirrel" or "One judge had the Johnson fight a draw" or "some people think the Pascal fight was a draw".