Grade Joe Fraziers resume

[JAB5239]

Once you're exposed as an idiot, you should man up and admit that you're exactly that.

Ok, so what is taking you so long?

[QuietOne]

Ok, so what is taking you so long?

You have not once exposed me of anything. I, on the other hand, have exposed you in posts and in the vulgar private messages that you've sent me.

[r.burgundy]

Can you post a list of 10 to 15 all time greats with better resumes than Frazier?

in no order and regardless of win or loss.also keeping in mind i dont believe their have even been 15 truly great heavys and frazier would make the bottom of my 10-15 by default.

ali
foreman
holyfield
ray mercer
lewis
patterson
ezard charles
liston
wlad
vitali
holmes
bowe

guys like the klits,and homes make my list cause i dont fault them for the eras they fought in.they fought everybody you could have possibly asked.but if ranked in an order of 1-15,frazier would make my list towrds the bottom based primarily off of prime foreman and 1st ali fight

[JAB5239]

You have not once exposed me of anything. I, on the other hand, have exposed you in posts and in the vulgar private messages that you've sent me.

Really? What posts did you expose me in, and what exactly did you expose me of?

[r.burgundy]

Depends if you're talking about all-time great heavyweights or all-time great pound for pound. Frazier is top 15 as far as a resume goes at heavyweight, go through the resumes of all heavyweights if you need proof. I'd say that's worthy of A or A-, A+ being the likes of Ali and others top 5 heavyweights.

If you're talking pound for pound, then Frazier is around B+, A-, not a top 40 all-time great in my opinion.

That's how I see it myself, D and C being below average or poor, C+ and B- being average, B & B+ being above average, A- being very good, A an all-time great, A+ one of the very greatest of all time, such as Ali, Robinson, Armstrong. Frazier was not quite up there with them, but he is second or third tier.

i can agree with this.good point and post.but id say A should be reserved for guys like ali who fought a mix of veterans,contemparorarys and rising contenders,not just guys who fought thier contemporarys

[JAB5239]

in no order and regardless of win or loss.also keeping in mind i dont believe their have even been 15 truly great heavys and frazier would make the bottom of my 10-15 by default.

ali
foreman
holyfield
ray mercer
lewis
patterson
ezard charles
liston
wlad
vitali
holmes
bowe

guys like the klits,and homes make my list cause i dont fault them for the eras they fought in.they fought everybody you could have possibly asked.but if ranked in an order of 1-15,frazier would make my list towrds the bottom based primarily off of prime foreman and 1st ali fight

You can scratch Holmes, Wlad, Vitaly, Bowe and especially Mercer. I'd say Fraziers resume is about equal with Charles, Patterson, Lewis, Holyfield and Liston. It would have been better than Foremans had George never come back, but it is what it is.

You should be ashamed of putting Wlad, Vitaly, Holmes, Mercer and Bowe on that list. That is truly reaching.

[JAB5239]

I've exposed you in this post, as a blatant idiot:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...09#post7989209

Wow I must have missed where you exposed me. Nope, still can't see it. Its not there, sorry.

And I've exposed you in your vulgar private messages that you can't handle criticism, that you choose to ignore facts and that, once again, you're a blatant idiot.

Is that what you were doing, I was wondering about that? And all along I thought you were just flaming like you are now.

This is the end of our conversation, short bus. I've given you to much attention already.

[r.burgundy]

You can scratch Holmes, Wlad, Vitaly, Bowe and especially Mercer. I'd say Fraziers resume is about equal with Charles, Patterson, Lewis, Holyfield and Liston. It would have been better than Foremans had George never come back, but it is what it is.

You should be ashamed of putting Wlad, Vitaly, Holmes, Mercer and Bowe on that list. That is truly reaching.

so you critize wlad,holmes,vitali for fighting in a weak era,yet praise joe for fightig in a tough era and skipping out on 4 of its best contenders?help me out here cause im not seeing your logic

[CarlosG815]

Ricky Hatton only lost ATG fighters too.I don't see anyone rating Hatton as a true great.



Norton beat an Ali that wasn't as rusty as an old warehouse bucket.Ali was a very active fighter at the time,consistently fighting top opposition as a way of forcing frazier to stop ducking him and step in the ring with him.


Norton also beat Ali more decisively than frazier did too.

You're obviously the idiot that voted D and since your opinion means about as much as a 2 year old actually hitting the keys on the keyboard, we won't count it.

Hatton is a C fighter at best. Joe fought and beat ATG Ali. Hatton fought 2 ATG's and was utterly destroyed.

Nobody ever thought he belonged in the ring with Floyd or Manny anyway, but he was hyped up before the fight and people bought into it.

Only an idiot like you would be shocked to see him disposed of as quickly as he was.

[CarlosG815]

so you critize wlad,holmes,vitali for fighting in a weak era,yet praise joe for fightig in a tough era and skipping out on 4 of its best contenders?help me out here cause im not seeing your logic

I don't see how claiming a guy who fought Ali and Foreman for a total of 5 fights is a ducker.

Joe was at his peak in the FOTC and declined rapidly after. He had a great career.