George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[tommyhearns804]

haha foreman a dumb slugger but yet he could fight to the age of 48 and not end up having brain damage so who is dumb foreman or ali?ali himself said if he could be foreman it would prove he was the greatest.
and why is it that only ali is past his prime at 30?as i said foreman could fight to 48 lewis fought to he was about 40 most other champions were still champions into their 30s bu ali was done at 26?get the hell out of here.he was just a fast when he came back as before he was banned from boxing.just watch the quarry fight.he looked just like he did when he was in his 20s but do you know why?becuase ali only looked fast when he was fight slow footed guys who just followed him around.did he look fast against doug jones?nope he sure didnt.his best win in the first part of his career of was over liston.big freaking deal.who was liston?nothing at all.beating floyd patterson makes you a legend now?does that mean you can punch because you can knock out a glass chin middleweight who fought at heavyweight?not really.
ali fought better guys when he retured.and most of them he lost too.norton was robbed in their 3rd fight and probably won their second one as well.lyle was weigh at head on points and would of probably won if the fight wasnt stopped so quickly.why wasnt the fight stopped when foreman had him in trouble in the second round of the lyle foreman fight?young also beat ali and so did shavers but they were both robbed.
foreamn was light years better than ali.ali had faster hands and that is it.he wasnt the better puncher he didnt have the better chin.again foreman fought until he was 48 and had 30 fights after he was 38 and never went down while ali was getting knocked down by copper and being beat around the ring by frazier.george had a more durable body george had everything you wanted in a fighter.the reason he lost to ali was because george was ****y as hell.he had no respect for ali.when you become so ****y that you think you cant lose eventually you will lose.it happened to tyson vs douglas louis vs max shmeling lewis vs rahman but i bet none of you think douglas is better than tyson do you?it was one fight..just one lucky fight.
ali didnt give foreman a rematch but he was willing to fight norton 3 times frazier 3 times liston 2 times cooper 2 times patterson 2 times spinks 2 times quarry 2 times but foreman only one time.what does that tell you?ali knew he was lucky.he said himself that he was out on his feet about 5 times against foreman but foreman never landed any clean punches.do you think he could of fought foreman again and lucked up?i doubt it.ali knew this so fought guys he could beat.sure fraizer would be tough.but he knew he could win.he knew norton couldnt knock him out but foreman could.
ali also claimed foreman was way to fast for him on his feet to outbox so that is why he had to lay on the ropes hoping foreman got tired.so if ali said foreman had good foot speed then evidently he did.evidently foreman didnt have slow hands of norton would of easily outboxed foreman.infact nobody outboxed a prime foreman.he got tired against ali punching him as he layed against the ropes.and against young he really didnt want to be there.he didnt train at all and just followed young around the ring for the most part not even trying.the way you beat a prime foreman was to pray to god he didnt know you out.there was no blue print to beat him.none of this well if you got past 5 rounds you could beat him.he only got tired in 2 fights out of 47..45 wins 2 loses and 42 ko's and some of those kos came late.
ali had got tired just a often as foreman if not more so.the only difference is ali would hold on and talk when he got tired and foreman just continued to punch the few times he got tired.and if you are going to talk about a fighter getting tired then why not tyson?why not lewis ?they both got tired late in the fight far more than foreman.
you know why ali is considered to be the greatest?because he lucked up and beat foreman.that and the fact he has brain damage and people feel sorry for them.you know why people think marciano is better than foreman or any true heavyweight?because they have mental problems.185 dont make you a heavyweight period.
i dont have a problem with people saying ali was good.but when you try to make him out to be something he never was is what bothers me.great hand speed and great heart and a big mouth is all he ever had.

[paul750]

Foreman would win on points in the rematch no question. In a nice air conditoned lobby in good ole Las Vegas Foreman would not be outsmarted a 2nd time and bring the right game plan. Clay knew that, that is why he ducked Foreman from 1974 until his retirement. The so called greatest ever, was not confident about himself to give Foreman a rematch. duck duck goose.

it's a pretty well known fact that great sluggers always have trouble with great boxers, foreman would never have had trouble with guys who came to him, just as he showed in the joe frazier fights.

but he would always have had trouble with ali, just as he did with jimmy young, that's what makes boxing the great sport it is, because styles make fights, foreman would have always struggled with the great ''boxers''.

[Ricomania77]

a great slugger always seems to struggle with a great pure 'boxers'
think Ali-Foreman, Leonard-Duran, Mayorga-Spinks, Tito-Winky

[TheGreat1]

When was Ali's prime? no doubt the fight that made his career was the win over foreman that was in 1974, so you should say 1974 was his prime. His win over Liston is overrated because Liston was all f***ed up when they fought and took a dive in one of the fights. . If Muhammad Ali never beat Foreman he would be regarded so much lower. He lost to Leon Spinks in Spinks's 8th professional fight 5 months after Ali won a UD over Shavers. He lost to Ken Norton in 1971, got his jaw broken in that fight. And Ken Norton was a nobody before he fought Ali, the guy he fought before fighting ALi was 22-8 and so were all the opponents Norton had fought up to that point. His only notable win besides beating ALi was stopping Jerry Quarrey.

Beating Foreman is what made ALI be able to say "I am the greatest" He just had the right game plan and style to beat Foreman.

Foreman made Norton and Frazier and Lyle look like nothing while 2 of those guys beat Ali in his prime. Foreman knocked Norton out in 2. Knocked Frazier down 5 times etc....
Ali basically got lucky against Foreman, if they ever rematched Foreman would have beaten his ass. Ali's mind games got to him and fighting in Africa was kinda a freak thing that might have screwed Georges psyche up.

Foreman KO'd Ron Lyle in 5 while Ali was loosing his fight against Lyle until Ali got a gift premature stoppage, the ref stopped the fight just because Ali flurried basically it was one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen, if the ref was honest Lyle would have went on to beat Ali. The win over Lyle is one Ali's biggest wins, and he did not deserve to win that fight. And of course look how much Ali struggled with Frazier but Foreman obliterated him.


George Foreman is better than Ali, George Foreman made Ali, George Foreman is the real greatest of the 70's. George Foreman is the man who made the man who you proclaim falsely as being the man in boxing.

Damn McKay, what a great post. I have been stating these fact forever, but never put it all together in one great post like this. Foreman was the man.

[Pugnacious_Z]

Foreman is the real Greatest, not ALI

[Kid Achilles]

You're right about one thing and that's it. Ali wasn't the greatest: that honor goes to Joe Louis.

Foreman is around 5 or 6 on my list.

[adeelr]

Dude your opinion is messed, Ali's was a far better fighter than foreman was, the way i look at it Ali exposed foreman, and if they were to have a rematch Ali would have humiliated him even more. Ali had been saying he was the greatest and was always right, why are you forgetting the fights with frazier, foreman was able to destroy frazier because of his size, he was no way more technically sound than frazier.

[SonnyG8R]

McKay swings and misses!!!

Sorry dude but you have e lot of learning to do before you start giving lessons in boxing history.

[ricecrispi]

George foreman in his prime was a one dimensional fighter. He had a paltry defense, and his offense was to hit you with anything he had because he was a genetic freak who was super strong slugger.
He lasted in the 90s because he learned cover up (archie moore cross arm defense that allowed archie to fight as long as he did). He wasn't hit that much as a boxer thoughout his 1st career and that allowed him to fight in his 40's. He had success in his 40's because he still had punching power that you had to respect and had a great boxing IQ at that point.
He is a helluva a guy and his grills are awesome!!
Gotta love the guy but he loves braggin about himself. Can't blame him!

How can you claim Ali was in his prime after he came back. Yeah he won his best fights afterwards but that doesn't prove he was in his prime, it shows you how great he was by win after it.
Ali was beautiful in his prime. I don't know how you could confuse it if you ever saw it. It was art, ballet, music, fighting, and attitude rolled into one. Guys would flail at him and he would dance. Almost mocking them like if he was saying "hit me if you can chump, I'm right in front of you." He would say predict knockouts in round X. Dance around teasing the guy for several rounds. X round comes around and knock the guy out.
no one can ever do that again..
He basically embrassed Liston so bad Liston gave up those fights. You also forget Ali fought before and after Liston. That was not the begining or end of his prime.

In the end Ali has the mentality of being the "greatest".
Foreman thought he had it till Ali showed him what it really meant. It was a pyschological battle of will power and Ali proved to Foreman that he had a much more of it than Foreman.
Foreman could've dragged ali through the jungle and down to hell and Ali would've beaten him. Ali was a master of pysch games.
Ali ***d up Foreman's head really bad and George faced his own personal demons. Read the book and you know about it.
Foreman doubted himself years after that. How could you claim Foreman was the greatest when admitted himself he doubted himself and had to prove to himself by fighting again in the 80's and 90's. Ow yeah he had to find god to help him and changed his whole outlook on life.

Not only that, Ali was stripped of his pride and joy and the thing he loved the most, boxing. The US government was against him and still was able to fight on and win. You think Foreman could deal with that and still continue on with his career? The guy retired due to a single loss.

Determination, heart, courage, and willpower also make determine who's a great champ. Not just ko's, wins against who, when, and where.
Ultimately that is what boxing is about, and why people watch boxing. They want to see gatti battle or corrales get up and win a match by knockout. That's why I like George, he came back to prove himself again and did it with a smile.

[czars_salad]

You're right about one thing and that's it. Ali wasn't the greatest: that honor goes to Joe Louis.

Foreman is around 5 or 6 on my list.

for me ali, may not be the greatest boxer, nor the greatest athlete, but he was the greatest sportsman and entertainer combined