George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[SonnyG8R]

You're right about one thing and that's it. Ali wasn't the greatest: that honor goes to Joe Louis.

Foreman is around 5 or 6 on my list.

In your opinion.

[Slipx]

When was Ali's prime? no doubt the fight that made his career was the win over foreman that was in 1974, so you should say 1974 was his prime. His win over Liston is overrated because Liston was all f***ed up when they fought and took a dive in one of the fights. . If Muhammad Ali never beat Foreman he would be regarded so much lower. He lost to Leon Spinks in Spinks's 8th professional fight 5 months after Ali won a UD over Shavers. He lost to Ken Norton in 1971, got his jaw broken in that fight. And Ken Norton was a nobody before he fought Ali, the guy he fought before fighting ALi was 22-8 and so were all the opponents Norton had fought up to that point. His only notable win besides beating ALi was stopping Jerry Quarrey.

Beating Foreman is what made ALI be able to say "I am the greatest" He just had the right game plan and style to beat Foreman.

Foreman made Norton and Frazier and Lyle look like nothing while 2 of those guys beat Ali in his prime. Foreman knocked Norton out in 2. Knocked Frazier down 5 times etc....
Ali basically got lucky against Foreman, if they ever rematched Foreman would have beaten his ass. Ali's mind games got to him and fighting in Africa was kinda a freak thing that might have screwed Georges psyche up.

Foreman KO'd Ron Lyle in 5 while Ali was loosing his fight against Lyle until Ali got a gift premature stoppage, the ref stopped the fight just because Ali flurried basically it was one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen, if the ref was honest Lyle would have went on to beat Ali. The win over Lyle is one Ali's biggest wins, and he did not deserve to win that fight. And of course look how much Ali struggled with Frazier but Foreman obliterated him.


George Foreman is better than Ali, George Foreman made Ali, George Foreman is the real greatest of the 70's. George Foreman is the man who made the man who you proclaim falsely as being the man in boxing.

be lookin for respect from me from now on.

edit-i feel bad for being a ****head to you now haha

[Easy-E]

"Ali got lucky, and in the rematch, foreman would have beaten his ass."

Your fighting a losing batte there. Ali won, in fact, he didnt just win, he knocked foreman out. Whos to say ali couldnt do the same thing again to foreman? Ali is the better boxer, and proved it to everyone that night

[anwaryussuf81]

Are you serious? The guy who started this thread doesn't know anything about boxing. Ali was in his prime in his first title reign and liston did not take a dive in the second fight. look a the replay, Ali hit him with a solid right hand. He beat liston twice. Liston was concidered unbeatable, same as foreman. Oh, and look who did the impossible, his name is "Ali". Foreman didn't make Ali the man. Ali made himself into "the greatest of All Time". Ali beat the greatest fighters in his era and many of those fighters are concidered the best of all time. Ali beat Norton twice, Frazier Twice, He lost to spinks because Ali was way out of his prime and it was at the end of his career. He did come back to beat spinks for the belt. So before you put down Ali, think before you post something. Period.

[chopper77]

McKay just how much of that Bacardi did you ingest before you started this? George Foreman was one of the absolute worst fighters in the heavyweight division of ALL time. He punched hard, big whoop. Can you, in your inebriated state say Jimmy Young? Man, I remeber watching that fight waiting for one of those big sloppy haymakers to land on Youngs head, yet Jimmy moved liked silk, and made the big dummy look even ******er than Ali did. Worst thread ever!!!

[The Troll]

McKay just how much of that Bacardi did you ingest before you started this? George Foreman was one of the absolute worst fighters in the heavyweight division of ALL time. He punched hard, big whoop. Can you, in your inebriated state say Jimmy Young? Man, I remeber watching that fight waiting for one of those big sloppy haymakers to land on Youngs head, yet Jimmy moved liked silk, and made the big dummy look even ******er than Ali did. Worst thread ever!!!

I think it is actually pretty good article that comes from an alternative viewpoint. Since I wrote the article I have come to respect Ali more than I did then. However I think he is overrated in his early career. Liston laid down in the second fight and Floyd Patterson was not by any means one of the greatest champs ever. Those are the highlight of Ali's 1960's accomplishments. When it was only 1970 and he fought Joe Frazier the first time, he lost. And Ali at that time was closest to what you call his prime. Yet in 1975 he beat Frazier in a brutal war. I think like somebody else said Ali hit harder and was smarter in the 70's than in his early career.

most of Ali's biggest wins are in 70's

George Foreman
Oscar Bonavena
Ron Lyle
Joe Frazier x2
Jimmy Ellis
Jerry Quarry x2
Floyd Patterson by stoppage
Ken Norton
Jimmy Young
George Chuvalo

1960's accomplishments

Liston x2 (Liston without a doubt laid down in the second fight. And if you look at Liston's record after he fought Ali it is rather pathetic. He beat nobody of note and was eventually knocked out early in a bid for the NABF title.)

Zora Foley (was already way past his prime when he fought ali in 1967. Again if you look at his record post Ali loss he is 5-3-2. Including a loss to Brian London (36-15) in 1967. A loss to Bonavena in 1968. A draw with Roger Russel 11-1 in 1968, a draw with Al Jones 24-1 in 1968, and KO 1 loss to Mac Foster 24-1 in 1970, that was the last fight of Foley's career.)

Archie Moore (1962) (Moore began his career in 1935 lol)

George Chuvalo
Floyd Patterson by descison


If I left somebody out from teh 60's list let me know. Ali ducked the **** out Foreman after their fight in 1974. Like others have said. He fought Quarry twice, Mildenberger twice, Norton 3 times, Frazier 3 times, Patterson twice, yet no rematch for Foreman. Which is ridiculous because when Ali was fighting Frazier in 1975 in the Phillipines Frazier had recently been KO'd in the 2nd by Foreman and Frazier gave him hell in that fight. Ali said after the fight with Frazier he would fight Foreman again and he never did.

[Kid Achilles]

Ali resume was better in the 70's simply because there were better opponents around. The Ali who whupped Liston would have done the same to Foreman and he wouldn't have needed to employ the rope a dope. Also, Ali was certainly worse off post exile and the version that fought Frazier had already slowed down.

Foreman is far from one of the worst heavyweight champions, and he surely makes my top ten list, but to say he was better or greater than Ali is just fantasy.

[Ali_is_the_greatest17]

How do you say that Foreman is better than Ali....if Ali beat him???

[Ali_is_the_greatest17]

"Ali got lucky, and in the rematch, foreman would have beaten his ass."

Your fighting a losing batte there. Ali won, in fact, he didnt just win, he knocked foreman out. Whos to say ali couldnt do the same thing again to foreman? Ali is the better boxer, and proved it to everyone that night

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Tha Greatest]

McKAY!!

SHUT THE **** UP SERIOUSLY YOU ****IN MORON!

ALIS WINS OVER LISTON OVERRATED??

WELL WHO CARES ABOUT HIS 2nd, but watch his first fight and you will see one of the most beautiful fought fights you'll ever see....dumb ****..