George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[Southpaw Stinger]

Let me put it this way. He wasn't totally shot. But he was nearly there. He made Wepner look like **** because he was ****. In all of the fights - except Frazier III - after Foreman, Ali looked pretty crap. He was gone. Have you seen Ali-LyLe? Its proably Ali's most sluggish and **** performance except for Spinks, Holmes etc.

Ali stayed on way too long. I think he wanted to make up for lost time because of his lay off. Thrilla in Mannilla was Ali's last truely great performance.

[hellfire508]

Ali stayed on way too long. I think he wanted to make up for lost time because of his lay off. Thrilla in Mannilla was Ali's last truely great performance.

Yes it was. Though his performances between Zaire and Manilla were quite terrible. A shell of the Ali of 67. The one that would have taken apart any heavyweight in history.

[LondonRingRules]

he did land a few punches, but ali was not exposed as this guy said. that was a rather easy title defense for muhammad.

** Easy for you to say while Ali is a shaking leaf ready to fall in the winds of life.

Don't worry kid, you got plenty of time to develop some gravitus, some wisdom, some experience. If not, well, you'll be one of the "early ones" who blissfully never knew what it was!

[LondonRingRules]

Listen, ***** im not an Ali fanboy. I think hes the greatest of all time but i acknowledge his faults and accept that he COULD be beaten. The most conditioned in regard to being able to absorb punishment inflicted on the body. Please show me another fighter that has able to absorb so much punishment. Part of it was sheer determination and heart but the other was brilliant body conditioning. Ali shouldnt of been ****en fighting past 1975, and yeah Ali left most of his ability in the ring that night against Frazier. The fight against spinks means NOTHING, he was a shot fighter, he shouldn't of been in the ring AT ALL.... the fact that you would use that loss against him in a debate is ****en pathetic

Wepner did not drop Ali legitimately, and that is widely accepted among non-rockyfanboys and sportswriters. If Foreman couldn't do it, this guy didn't stand a ****en chance. Ali was alot of things, Arrogant and sometimes cruel... but he wasn't a liar.

Maybe you're just Ali's plain ol' boy.

Fact: Ali looked like you against Wepner.

Fact: Ali could barely break an egg after Foreman

Fact: Ali started to have to go into later rounds, often against inferior journeymen and usually the distance after Foreman.

Fact: Ali has more controversial decisions than you have hemorrhoids.

Fact: Regardless of the nature of his wins, Ali got lots of credit for his 11 consecutive title wins, but he lost to Spinks. Either you take away some of those title victories or admit to the loss to Leon toothless Spinks, but don't be blowin' some of your shrine incense smoke up the board bum.

[hellfire508]

London - Ali was definately shot, but he still beat those guys when he was shot. You can't just take them away. But I see where you are coming from.

[LondonRingRules]

London - Ali was definately shot, but he still beat those guys when he was shot. You can't just take them away. But I see where you are coming from.

"Beat" is a relative term. When we see those guys today, clearly Ali was taking a great deal of punishment, much more than the scores and the ref's decisions would indicate.

While I admire Ali greatly, he also had a terrible side to him that is usually glossed over by the fawning press of the 70s. Seeing how much of the 60s press and Americans were prebiased against him, perhaps in this decade a definitive Ali bio can be written.

[butterfly1964]

[Hydro]

Ali clowned Foreman. Foreman fought like a dummy.

Foreman is maybe the biggest con man in boxing history....a truly smart businessman/salesman. He milked that cheesy smile for 9 figures!!!

[Verstyle]

Ali clowned Foreman. Foreman fought like a dummy.

Foreman is maybe the biggest con man in boxing history....a truly smart businessman/salesman. He milked that cheesy smile for 9 figures!!!

whos alt r u. tell me in a private message

[smasher]

" he also had a terrible side to him that is usually glossed over by the fawning press of the 70s.

Elaborate...