George Foreman, the Man who made the man that is falsely proclaimed as the man in box

[TuPrincipe]

Ali was a great heavyweight, one of the best known individuals on the planet and deserves much acclaim for his accomplishments. However, when most of the all-century lists and greatest athletes of all-time discussions come about, Ali is almost always in the top 3.

While Ali was an influential black leader and Vietnam war lightning rod, yet his social importance is not even in the same realm as some others. Ali was a product and relfection of the time he lived in.

While Ali was a great boxer and repeatedly won the heavyweight title, he was not overly dominant nor that much superior to his peers at the time.

He is not widely regarded as the greatest pound-for-pound boxer of all-time, nor is even universally accepted as the greatest heavyweight of all-time.

I have come to the conclusion that Ali is overated and his only "real" victory was over Foreman. He fought brilliantly that fight and He deserved it.

He lost a total of 5 times. He lost to Frazier, Jimmy Young, and Ken Norton (Yes Norton won three times.) I don't think that his record should speak for itself.

He was not "The Greatest" of all time IMO.

[KidBlackie]

[[[[Ali was knocked down by few of his opponents, but he always got up on the first count, and it was always while he was running backward. In other words, he was not knocked down because he was hurt, but more because he was out of balance running backward when he happended to be hit. That cost him his first fight against Frazier. ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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Oh boy, another Ali jock sniffer. Ali was a fine fighter, but Frazier knocked the snot out of him. Ali was lucky to survive the 15th round in their first fight. You must have never seen the photo of him with the cantalope stuck on the right side of his face.

Ali was never invincible though he seemed that way in his prime because of the weak competition. When he came back he immediately lost to the best heavies he'd ever faced, Frazier and Norton. Norton won their 3rd fight and Frazier beat the hell out of Ali in their 3rd fight. Ali was lucky Futch tossed in the towel because he'd just quit in his corner and Dundee wouldn't toss his towel. That was the 3rd big fight Dundee saved his bacon in.

I would rank Ali as the 2nd best heavy in history, but he had plenty of flaws and lots of gift bouts. He was as tough and talented as they come though.

[butterfly1964]

Ali was a great heavyweight, one of the best known individuals on the planet and deserves much acclaim for his accomplishments. However, when most of the all-century lists and greatest athletes of all-time discussions come about, Ali is almost always in the top 3.

While Ali was an influential black leader and Vietnam war lightning rod, yet his social importance is not even in the same realm as some others. Ali was a product and relfection of the time he lived in.

While Ali was a great boxer and repeatedly won the heavyweight title, he was not overly dominant nor that much superior to his peers at the time.

He is not widely regarded as the greatest pound-for-pound boxer of all-time, nor is even universally accepted as the greatest heavyweight of all-time.

I have come to the conclusion that Ali is overated and his only "real" victory was over Foreman. He fought brilliantly that fight and He deserved it.

He lost a total of 5 times. He lost to Frazier, Jimmy Young, and Ken Norton (Yes Norton won three times.) I don't think that his record should speak for itself.

He was not "The Greatest" of all time IMO.

he didn't lose to jimmy young. he lost to frazier, norton, spinks, holmes and berbick.

[butterfly1964]

Ali had like 22 title fights, and fought sussecfuly 15 years (not counting three years), and up till after Leon Spinks in 1978, he beaten everyone who beaten him..he came back in 1980 to lose, than have a final fight in 81.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000180

Foreman had like 7 "real" title defenses, and didnt fight again for 3 years after Ali...which Ali beat everyone Foreman faced in the 70's
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000090

actually, ali had 19 successful title defense, 9 the first time and ten the other, while forman had 4 successful ones, 2 the first time and two the other.

[butterfly1964]

When was Ali's prime? no doubt the fight that made his career was the win over foreman that was in 1974, so you should say 1974 was his prime. His win over Liston is overrated because Liston was all f***ed up when they fought and took a dive in one of the fights. . If Muhammad Ali never beat Foreman he would be regarded so much lower. He lost to Leon Spinks in Spinks's 8th professional fight 5 months after Ali won a UD over Shavers. He lost to Ken Norton in 1971, got his jaw broken in that fight. And Ken Norton was a nobody before he fought Ali, the guy he fought before fighting ALi was 22-8 and so were all the opponents Norton had fought up to that point. His only notable win besides beating ALi was stopping Jerry Quarrey.

Beating Foreman is what made ALI be able to say "I am the greatest" He just had the right game plan and style to beat Foreman.

Foreman made Norton and Frazier and Lyle look like nothing while 2 of those guys beat Ali in his prime. Foreman knocked Norton out in 2. Knocked Frazier down 5 times etc....
Ali basically got lucky against Foreman, if they ever rematched Foreman would have beaten his ass. Ali's mind games got to him and fighting in Africa was kinda a freak thing that might have screwed Georges psyche up.

Foreman KO'd Ron Lyle in 5 while Ali was loosing his fight against Lyle until Ali got a gift premature stoppage, the ref stopped the fight just because Ali flurried basically it was one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen, if the ref was honest Lyle would have went on to beat Ali. The win over Lyle is one Ali's biggest wins, and he did not deserve to win that fight. And of course look how much Ali struggled with Frazier but Foreman obliterated him.


George Foreman is better than Ali, George Foreman made Ali, George Foreman is the real greatest of the 70's. George Foreman is the man who made the man who you proclaim falsely as being the man in boxing.

it's a good thing this guy got banned. he was an idiot. this is the real man in boxing!

[Heckler]

I have never heard so much ****... 1974 was not Alis prime and this is obvious, FOREMAN never MADE ALI... Ali took out frazier and liston, i put the frazier fights over the foreman fight. In his prime he was undefeated and i believe he would remain undefeated in his 1967 form fighting any boxer in the 20th century... Ali beat norton 2/3 times and maintain he DID WIN 2/3 times.

[Heckler]

[[[[Ali was knocked down by few of his opponents, but he always got up on the first count, and it was always while he was running backward. In other words, he was not knocked down because he was hurt, but more because he was out of balance running backward when he happended to be hit. That cost him his first fight against Frazier. ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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Oh boy, another Ali jock sniffer. Ali was a fine fighter, but Frazier knocked the snot out of him. Ali was lucky to survive the 15th round in their first fight. You must have never seen the photo of him with the cantalope stuck on the right side of his face.

Ali was never invincible though he seemed that way in his prime because of the weak competition. When he came back he immediately lost to the best heavies he'd ever faced, Frazier and Norton. Norton won their 3rd fight and Frazier beat the hell out of Ali in their 3rd fight. Ali was lucky Futch tossed in the towel because he'd just quit in his corner and Dundee wouldn't toss his towel. That was the 3rd big fight Dundee saved his bacon in.

I would rank Ali as the 2nd best heavy in history, but he had plenty of flaws and lots of gift bouts. He was as tough and talented as they come though.

ALI was always going to come out of the corner in the 15th round... He jokingly said afterwards 'i was going to quit too' but to this day, and i have no reason not to believe him he states he was going to come out for the last round and he didn't think people were gonna take him seriously when he said he was going to quit also. This is the man that fought himself to braindamage, went far beyond his prime to fight larry homes... No way would he merely 'give up' his determination and ego would never allow this. He beat Norton twice, he beat frazier twice... the first fight was his 3rd fight after 3 1/2 years of retirement... In 1967, in his prime he was undefeated and i believe he would of remained this way against frazier and norton.

[KidBlackie]

[[[[To I have never heard so much ****... 1974 was not Alis prime and this is obvious, FOREMAN never MADE ALI... Ali took out frazier and liston, i put the frazier fights over the foreman fight. In his prime he was undefeated and i believe he would remain undefeated in his 1967 form fighting any boxer in the 20th century... Ali beat norton 2/3 times and maintain he DID WIN 2/3 times.]]]]]]]]]]
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Let's put it this way. Ali says Foreman was his best victory. He was never considered an all time great until that fight. He never got the steady big purses until that that fight excluding the first Frazier fight. Frazier got the best of Ali overall and so did Norton regardless of the cards. Ali also avoided the Foreman and Young rematches. Of course he was greatly diminished by then. See the Wepner fight forward. The Liston fights were highly controversial and not fully accepted by boxing insiders or the public.

[Mike_R]

in the norton fight where ali broke his jaw- it's my understanding that injury happened pretty early on. and ali fought the vast majority of that 15 round fight with a broken jaw.

that is amazing to me.

[butterfly1964]

in the norton fight where ali broke his jaw- it's my understanding that injury happened pretty early on. and ali fought the vast majority of that 15 round fight with a broken jaw.

that is amazing to me.

everything about ali is amazing. this guy actually says he is gonna do something in a fight, even though it has never been done, and does it. he predicts the round and does it. nobody can hit him as hard as they try, and he could hit them at will and make them look ******, even though they might be HOFers! that is just from another planet!