Do You Classify Joe Louis As Slow Feet, Fast Hands

[Willie Pep 229]

I said with a few outliers. A couple of guys moved. Other than Conn and Walcott--what? I am now to be challenged on the basis of two guys who moved. Other than Conn none of them moved like many fighters move today. A lot of boxers do not have traditional skills of defense, so they run. And no one at all ever moved like Walcott. But the thing is Walcott was very near always in range. He never moved far. His movement usually consisted of body movement and a few steps. Then once in a while he would do his Walcott walkaway move and get entirely out of range for a few moments.

To me the tell tell sign of bullshit is that people keep insisting he had fast feet without offering a single fcking example like I have been asking for for years. I hate to have to say that. The mindless defense of heroes around here boggles.

I say people ought to bring a little evidence beyond their wagging lips if they purport to believe something controversial that others misunderstand. I have evidence--all the fights of his I have seen. Where is theirs? Oh, I am supposed to look up their evidence for them. Maybe if they showed proof I would relent or admit I was wrong. I'll tell you this, it had better be convincing evidence, not a few moments of fking around.

Joe Louis could barely handle Conn because Billy moved like a fighter should against Louis. No other fighter did that. There is not a single person here other than known consensus halfwits who figure Louis would beat Ali. Louis had to wait for Conn to get tired. That is all he could do against a good runner, stand there and wait. Ali would actually be gesturing for the ref to stop the slaughter, which eventually would. Louis would be an easy mark for Ali. He would not even be much of a challenge with those lead feet on him. Liston had faster feet, At least he was able to chase Ali.

Wrong reply. Sorry!

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;n32514121]

I think you're stuck on his showboating and forgetting he was consistently making Ramirez miss his punches by a mile and snapping his head back with punches of his own, all the while NOT being walked into liver punches as claimed al night.

You are correct I am stuck on it. No respect. Never!

These men are all warriors and guys like you, for a reason I will never understand, allow these disgusting, disrespectful fighters, not to only get away with it, but you praise them.

(Insert me spitting on the ground here.)

RESPECT --> a lost American culture. Being disrespectful is the new American way.

[SouthpawRight]

I said with a few outliers. A couple of guys moved. Other than Conn and Walcott--what? I am now to be challenged on the basis of two guys who moved. Other than Conn none of them moved like many fighters move today. A lot of boxers do not have traditional skills of defense, so they run. And no one at all ever moved like Walcott. But the thing is Walcott was very near always in range. He never moved far. His movement usually consisted of body movement and a few steps. Then once in a while he would do his Walcott walkaway move and get entirely out of range for a few moments.

To me the tell tell sign of bullshit is that people keep insisting he had fast feet without offering a single fcking example like I have been asking for for years. I hate to have to say that. The mindless defense of heroes around here boggles.

I say people ought to bring a little evidence beyond their wagging lips if they purport to believe something controversial that others misunderstand. I have evidence--all the fights of his I have seen. Where is theirs? Oh, I am supposed to look up their evidence for them. Maybe if they showed proof I would relent or admit I was wrong. I'll tell you this, it had better be convincing evidence, not a few moments of fking around.

Joe Louis could barely handle Conn because Billy moved like a fighter should against Louis. No other fighter did that. There is not a single person here other than known consensus halfwits who figure Louis would beat Ali. Louis had to wait for Conn to get tired. That is all he could do against a good runner, stand there and wait. Ali would actually be gesturing for the ref to stop the slaughter, which eventually would. Louis would be an easy mark for Ali. He would not even be much of a challenge with those lead feet on him. Liston had faster feet, At least he was able to chase Ali.

Joe Louis VS Mike Tyson

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n32514131]

You are correct I am stuck on it. No respect. Never!

These men are all warriors and guys like you, for a reason I will never understand, allow these disgusting, disrespectful fighters, not to only get away with it, but you praise them.

(Insert me spitting on the ground here.)

RESPECT --> a lost American culture. Being disrespectful is the new American way.

Im not asking you to respect Whitaker. He was an arrogant fighter. But I don't see how you couldn't possibly score the fight for him. Ramirez was the aggressor, but not effective. Whitaker landed the cleaner punches, had the far better defense and ring generalship.im hard pressed to find 4 rounds Ramirez won. Definitely the 8th, arguably th 10th and there were a couple of close rounds. Other than that it was Whitaker and pretty easily in my opinion. As far as how he boxed, I'd say he fought pretty close to the way the great Willie Pep did, only from a southpaw stance. More arrogant for sure, but still a great fighter. Im not fan of Pea, but i do respect his skillset.

[Willie Pep 229]

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Im not asking you to respect Whitaker. He was an arrogant fighter. But I don't see how you couldn't possibly score the fight for him. Ramirez was the aggressor, but not effective. Whitaker landed the cleaner punches, had the far better defense and ring generalship.im hard pressed to find 4 rounds Ramirez won. Definitely the 8th, arguably th 10th and there were a couple of close rounds. Other than that it was Whitaker and pretty easily in my opinion. As far as how he boxed, I'd say he fought pretty close to the way the great Willie Pep did, only from a southpaw stance. More arrogant for sure, but still a great fighter. Im not fan of Pea, but i do respect his skillset.

I am sorry I am unintentionally wasting your time.

I was only replying to my boldface up above.

I stopped watching Whitaker after he stalled his way through the Chavez fight.

Before that he tried to pull down Roger Mayweather's trunks. That and then a dozen azz wiggles later, I couldn't t take him being in my presence any longer.

I stopped giving him my money after Chavez, and only tuned into that fight because of Chavez.

If I was the King of Boxing I would have had him ban from the game.

All gladiators derserve respect, he didn't show respect, lacked character.

Sorry, I have no clue what happened in the Rameriz fight. Couldn't have cared less.

I only meant to reply to the section I boldfaced up above, when you praised him making his opponent "look silly." It rubbed me the wrong way.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n32514155]

I am sorry I am unintentionally wasting your time.

I was only replying to my boldface up above.

I stopped watching Whitaker after he stalled his way through the Chavez fight.

Before that he tried to pull down Roger Mayweather's trunks. That and then a dozen azz wiggles later, I couldn't t take him being in my presence any longer.

I stopped giving him my money after Chavez, and only tuned into that fight because of Chavez.

If I was the King of Boxing I would have had him ban from the game.

All gladiators derserve respect, he didn't show respect, lacked character.

Sorry, I have no clue what happened in the Rameriz fight. Couldn't have cared less.

I only meant to reply to the section I boldfaced up above, when you praised him making his opponent "look silly." It rubbed me the wrong way.

Fair enough. Hard to argue with that. The guy was definitely a d1ck.

[Mr Mitts]

Hard to personally like Pea, but the SOB was a ring genius (IMO). His fights were usually boring and he was no fun to watch. He may have lost some decisions because judges felt the same way. He beat Chavez but did not get the decision. And yeah, he made a lot of guys look stupid. Like Barry Sanders running a football.

[them_apples]

I said with a few outliers. A couple of guys moved. Other than Conn and Walcott--what? I am now to be challenged on the basis of two guys who moved. Other than Conn none of them moved like many fighters move today. A lot of boxers do not have traditional skills of defense, so they run. And no one at all ever moved like Walcott. But the thing is Walcott was very near always in range. He never moved far. His movement usually consisted of body movement and a few steps. Then once in a while he would do his Walcott walkaway move and get entirely out of range for a few moments.

To me the tell tell sign of bullshit is that people keep insisting he had fast feet without offering a single fcking example like I have been asking for for years. I hate to have to say that. The mindless defense of heroes around here boggles.

I say people ought to bring a little evidence beyond their wagging lips if they purport to believe something controversial that others misunderstand. I have evidence--all the fights of his I have seen. Where is theirs? Oh, I am supposed to look up their evidence for them. Maybe if they showed proof I would relent or admit I was wrong. I'll tell you this, it had better be convincing evidence, not a few moments of fking around.

Joe Louis could barely handle Conn because Billy moved like a fighter should against Louis. No other fighter did that. There is not a single person here other than known consensus halfwits who figure Louis would beat Ali. Louis had to wait for Conn to get tired. That is all he could do against a good runner, stand there and wait. Ali would actually be gesturing for the ref to stop the slaughter, which eventually would. Louis would be an easy mark for Ali. He would not even be much of a challenge with those lead feet on him. Liston had faster feet, At least he was able to chase Ali.

who moves good today? I can't think of anyone who moves good today. Conn and Walcott move way better than anyone today if you can't see that then what are we even watching. You also forget Louis knocked conn out. He didn't lose to Usyk like Fury and Joshua did. Usyk isn't particularly fast either

[Willie Pep 229]

Hard to personally like Pea, but the SOB was a ring genius (IMO). His fights were usually boring and he was no fun to watch. He may have lost some decisions because judges felt the same way. He beat Chavez but did not get the decision. And yeah, he made a lot of guys look stupid. Like Barry Sanders running a football.

I don't believe he won the Chavez fight.

Whitaker won the anticipation gane, yes.

"Could Whitaker stop the relentless Chavez attack?"

That was the big theme going in.

Whitaker did in fact stop the feared Chavez 'relentless' assault.

But then that's all he did. He never took command of the fight, never had Chavez at bay.

Whitaker doesn't deserve the W for getting half the job done. He stopped the attack but had no offense.

Hell one can argue that Chavez got half the job done as well. Whitaker never moved him.

So if we are praising Whitaker for stopping Chavez's attack as such a big deal, why are we not praising Chavez for neutralizing Whitaker's attack?

Why? Because of the 'anticipation game.'

We decide what we think should happen and when it doesn't we think something special must have happened. It didn't.

The fight was a stinker because Whitaker avoided engaging as much as he could.

People want to believe Whitaker's surrival is some how a victory.

The fight was DRAW, and boring as well.

But boxing fans just love to create great fighters on paper.

[JAB5239]

Hard to personally like Pea, but the SOB was a ring genius (IMO). His fights were usually boring and he was no fun to watch. He may have lost some decisions because judges felt the same way. He beat Chavez but did not get the decision. And yeah, he made a lot of guys look stupid. Like Barry Sanders running a football.

Sanders was exciting......but i get your point.