Where Does Golovkin Rank Among The All Time Middles?

[Nash out]

Golovkin got going too late. Even in the first two Canelo fights, of which he won both in reality, he was past his best. If he got going 10 years earlier only TBE Mayweather and Charlie Zelenoff could have beaten him. Nash out - His Majesty

[ThunderFists]

prime golovkin is top 10, the faded one we watched still showed us why he is an all time great

[Bronson66]

Where did I say Monzon ducked anyone? I don’t fault Monzon for fighting who was there, same way I don’t fault Golovkin for fighting who was there while other fighters avoided him. You seem disproportionately angry, try meditation or chamomile tea.

I’m not even a big Golovkin fan, but the people who trash his legacy also inflate the legacy of fighters who are no better or worse because they are blinded with hate.

I seem disproportionately angry?
Yet you sailed into me who has never even spoken to you , with this?

"I can see what Coverdale was driving at here. This Bronson bloke can’t get enough of himself. He must sit around all day sniffing his own f@rts while arguing with the offended how they smell like potpourri."
You hypocrite!

I'm not angry, I'm laughing at the blatant hypocrisy in you attempting to take the high moral ground here.
I haven't even mentioned Golovkin!

You are defending a position I haven't attacked ! Confused or what!
Now you can respond by calling me fart face from the safety of your pc.

You and Coverdale have two things in common, you both launched unprovoked attacks on me without ever having prior contact with me ,and you are both newbies coming back from bans under new alts.

That's okay I don't take either of you seriously,he thinks he is some kind amateur psychiatrist, and I think I know who you were before you were banned,the interest in farts and chamomile tea was the clue.

Do try and up your game.

[joseph5620]

Allegedly turned down an offer, where nobody has the emails of receipt of while 3G was already booked.â

I already posted the "receipts" so stop lying. They rejected an offer.There is no "allegedly" to this.



Roc Nation: GGG's Team Turned Down Ward in 36 Minutes https://share.google/awFfnzx79RgUm3Sfs


According to Loeffler , the offer was rejected because K2 had already finalized Golovkin's upcoming HBO Pay-Per-View fight with Lemieux - and the winner would become the mandatory challenger to the November 21st showdown between WBC champion Miguel Cotto and Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.
Loeffler indicates that their strategy, since last year, has been to unify the middleweight division.

However, during that period they did explore potential fights at super middleweight with both Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

When it came it Ward, Loeffler and Golovkin's trainer Abel Sanchez made it very clear that a catch-weight of 164-pounds would be required. They also feel their boxer deserves a bigger portion of the monetary split. Roc Nation's offer was an even 50-50 deal.

Golovkin came under fire for his catch-weight demand. Loeffler explained that Golovkin fighting at the full weight limit of 168 would only be considered if the event was financially worth the risk. They felt a fight with Ward would not have generated the same financial benefits as a fight with Froch or Chavez.

“We’ve always said when we first got to HBO that we wanted to unify the titles. We said we’d move up to 168 for mega events. Fights with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Carl Froch would have been big events and that’s why we were willing to move up and we were willing to go down for a Floyd Mayweather fight before but we always said we wanted unification fights,” Loeffler told BoxingScene.com.

Michael Yormark, president and chief of branding and strategy for parent company Roc Nation, disputes some of the information being circulated in the press.

The Roc Nation executive reached out to BoxingScene.com to respond, on behalf of his company and their fighter, to some of the published statements from Golovkin's team members.

According to Yormark, Roc Nation was never afforded the opportunity to discuss weight, the financial terms, potential dates, which fighter was the A-side or any other factor - because their offer was turned down in 36 minutes.
"We made him an offer, prior quite frankly, to knowing about the fight with Lemieux. But regardless of that fight, the offer was very, very clear - that he and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016

There it is. Straight from Golovkins team that they turned down the fight. There was no short notice either so you can stop repeating that lie. The offer was made for after Golovkin's fight with Lemieux. He chose Dominic Wade over Andre Ward. His teams contradictory comments are included.

You sure you want to keep lying about this?

[Haka]

I already posted the "receipts" so stop lying. They rejected an offer.There is no "allegedly" to this.



Roc Nation: GGG's Team Turned Down Ward in 36 Minutes https://share.google/awFfnzx79RgUm3Sfs


According to Loeffler , the offer was rejected because K2 had already finalized Golovkin's upcoming HBO Pay-Per-View fight with Lemieux - and the winner would become the mandatory challenger to the November 21st showdown between WBC champion Miguel Cotto and Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.
Loeffler indicates that their strategy, since last year, has been to unify the middleweight division.

However, during that period they did explore potential fights at super middleweight with both Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

When it came it Ward, Loeffler and Golovkin's trainer Abel Sanchez made it very clear that a catch-weight of 164-pounds would be required. They also feel their boxer deserves a bigger portion of the monetary split. Roc Nation's offer was an even 50-50 deal.

Golovkin came under fire for his catch-weight demand. Loeffler explained that Golovkin fighting at the full weight limit of 168 would only be considered if the event was financially worth the risk. They felt a fight with Ward would not have generated the same financial benefits as a fight with Froch or Chavez.

“We’ve always said when we first got to HBO that we wanted to unify the titles. We said we’d move up to 168 for mega events. Fights with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Carl Froch would have been big events and that’s why we were willing to move up and we were willing to go down for a Floyd Mayweather fight before but we always said we wanted unification fights,” Loeffler told BoxingScene.com.

Michael Yormark, president and chief of branding and strategy for parent company Roc Nation, disputes some of the information being circulated in the press.

The Roc Nation executive reached out to BoxingScene.com to respond, on behalf of his company and their fighter, to some of the published statements from Golovkin's team members.

According to Yormark, Roc Nation was never afforded the opportunity to discuss weight, the financial terms, potential dates, which fighter was the A-side or any other factor - because their offer was turned down in 36 minutes.
"We made him an offer, prior quite frankly, to knowing about the fight with Lemieux. But regardless of that fight, the offer was very, very clear - that he and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016

There it is. Straight from Golovkins team that they turned down the fight. There was no short notice either so you can stop repeating that lie. The offer was made for after Golovkin's fight with Lemieux. He chose Dominic Wade over Andre Ward. His teams contradictory comments are included.

You sure you want to keep lying about this?

The article clearly states that the duration of the timeline around these talks is weeks in the first sentence starting: “Over the past few weeks…” Now it seems your case puts ALOT of weight behind those few short weeks while giving a pass for Andre NOT reaching out between 2013-2015, a full two years, where the man himself declares being able to make a Mayweather fight at 160 while giving the silent treatment to GGG during that same period ?

[QueensburyRules]

Fights are not won "on film" they are won in the ring. You're ranking Golovkin based on your own fantasies. Not what he actually did in his career. That's not how it works and never will be.


How many fighters going to the Hall of Fame did Golovkin ever beat? At least for me that matters when ranking a fighter in All time rankings. Don't even bother saying Canelo because he never beat Canelo. Both fights were close and I gave Golovkin the edge in the first fight and had him losing the second. But neither was the huge robbery that Golovkin's fans want everyone to believe although I'll acknowledge one of the scorecards favoring Canelo in the first fight was disgraceful.

- - IBHOF like the sport of boxing is a racket. They actually put a girl in who never had a fight!!!

At any rate, Ali/Joe/George/Ken weren't in the HOF when they fought as most all fighters. HOF is a popularity contest after the fact that sometimes takes DECADES.

[The Big Dunce]

I seem disproportionately angry?
Yet you sailed into me who has never even spoken to you , with this?

"I can see what Coverdale was driving at here. This Bronson bloke can’t get enough of himself. He must sit around all day sniffing his own f@rts while arguing with the offended how they smell like potpourri."
You hypocrite!

I'm not angry, I'm laughing at the blatant hypocrisy in you attempting to take the high moral ground here.
I haven't even mentioned Golovkin!

You are defending a position I haven't attacked ! Confused or what!
Now you can respond by calling me fart face from the safety of your pc.

You and Coverdale have two things in common, you both launched unprovoked attacks on me without ever having prior contact with me ,and you are both newbies coming back from bans under new alts.

That's okay I don't take either of you seriously,he thinks he is some kind amateur psychiatrist, and I think I know who you were before you were banned,the interest in farts and chamomile tea was the clue.

Do try and up your game.

I see your fragile ego on display once again. You claimed I was ridiculous, with an exclamation point for emphasis. Now if you like, I can reach back to many of your posts where you were name-calling, insulting others, and lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you. It's called pattern recognition. Oscar the Grouch of boxing scene, sniffing your own farts and telling us how they smell of roses.

Coverdale really has you shook. Didn't take much to light that short fuse of yours.

[joseph5620]

The article clearly states that the duration of the timeline around these talks is weeks in the first sentence starting: “Over the past few weeks…” Now it seems your case puts ALOT of weight behind those few short weeks while giving a pass for Andre NOT reaching out between 2013-2015, a full two years, where the man himself declares being able to make a Mayweather fight at 160 while giving the silent treatment to GGG during that same period ?

First your said it was about Ward not fighting at 160. Debunked.

Then you claimed it was about a Mayweather fight for Ward.
Debunked


Then you said there wasn't enough time because of the Lemieux fight.
Debunked


Now you're lying about a timeline that doesn't exist. Article clearly states they rejected the offer. Clearly acknowledged by Golovkin's team with no mention of this fictional timeline you're trying to use. Golovkin's team rejected the fight and there was no "timeline." Point blank.Case closed . Lying to yourself and everyone else won't change the fact that Golovkin turned down the fight and it's there for everyone to read so you're lies are futile and change nothing.


He's still not a top 10.middleweught either.

[joseph5620]

- - IBHOF like the sport of boxing is a racket. They actually put a girl in who never had a fight!!!

At any rate, Ali/Joe/George/Ken weren't in the HOF when they fought as most all fighters. HOF is a popularity contest after the fact that sometimes takes DECADES.

Nobody that Golovkin has beaten is going to the hall of fame. It won't take decades to figure it out either.

[Bronson66]

I see your fragile ego on display once again. You claimed I was ridiculous, with an exclamation point for emphasis. Now if you like, I can reach back to many of your posts where you were name-calling, insulting others, and lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you. It's called pattern recognition. Oscar the Grouch of boxing scene, sniffing your own farts and telling us how they smell of roses.

Coverdale really has you shook. Didn't take much to light that short fuse of yours.

Yeah you can point outposts of mine insulting posters,but you wont point out one instance when I initiated the conflict.
You claimed I was,how many alts ? I've never had an alt I've had 2 usernames on here Ivich and my present one,but hey if it keeps you happy WTF! lol Bottom line you are back using an alt because you were banned, same as Coverdale .

Well why should I care? You just want to have an argument ,not a boxing discussion so our paths are unlikely to cross,unless you continue to compulsively dig me out .
I've made more boxing threads since I've been here than 5 or 6 other posters have made in their combined entire time here. You two **** stirrers won't make any significant contributions here that's for sure.
He wants to psycho analyse every poster,and you want to talk about farts.

Bye for now Flatulent Freddy!