Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[Bronson66]

- - prime jjohnson here is exceedingly underwhelming for the most part

jess willard

238½

22 5 2

oriental park, havana

l-ko

26/45

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1:26 ref: jack welsh world heavyweight title

1914-06-27

221½

frank moran

203

26 9 5

velodrome d'hiver, paris

w-pts

20/20

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ref: georges carpentier world heavyweight title

1913-12-19

213¾

battling jim johnson

222¾

28 10 5

élysée montmartre, paris

d-pts

10/10

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ref: emile maitrot m oudin franz reichel world heavyweight title one ringside report said that the spectators loudly protested that the men were not fighting and demanded their money back. Jack johnson said he injured his left arm in the third round and could not use it, but ringsiders said he used his left often and likely fractured it when both fell to the mat in the tenth round. Post-fight examination revealed a slight fracture of the radial in his left arm. In august it had been widely reported by joe woodman that johnson had agreed to terms to fight sam langford in paris. Weights per la presse tale of the tape: 97kg jack johnson, 101kg jim johnson. New haven union., december 24, 1913, stated that the french boxing federation had started an investigation of the fight, believing johnson's nephew gus rhodes had passed himself of as battling jim johnson.

1912-07-04

212

fireman jim flynn

193

60 15 20

east las vegas

w-dq

9/45

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ref: edward w smith world heavyweight title the referee repeatedly warned flynn for head-butting. (fight film shows flynn head-butting, trying to get loose while the taller johnson holds him at the back of his upper arms. Flynn reportedly hurled racial epithets at johnson, too.) the sheriff climbed into the ring to stop this bout and referee smith awarded it to johnson on a foul.

1910-07-04

208

james j jeffries

227

19 0 2

reno

w-tko

15/45

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2:20 ref: tex rickard world heavyweight title reportedly the first time a venue was constructed specifically for one boxing show. (promoter & referee: Tex rickard. United states president taft declined rickard's telegraphed offer to referee.) tommy burns, jake kilraine, abe attell and others were introduced to the crowd of 16, 528.

1909-10-16

205½

stanley ketchel

170¼

48 4 3

mission street arena, colma

w-ko

12/20

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ref: jack welsh world heavyweight title

1909-09-09

209

al kaufman

191

19 1 0

coffroth's arena, san francisco

w-nws

10/10

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ref: eddie smith world heavyweight title "jack johnson had no trouble winning a 'newspaper' decision over al kaufman this afternoon in ten rounds. There was an agreement that no decision was to be rendered if both were on their feet at the end. Johnson landed almost at will, while kaufman got in only two effective blows. It appeared as though johnson could have ended the fight at any time." (associated press)

1909-06-30

207

tony ross

214

12 8 4

duquesne gardens, pittsburgh

w-nws

6/6

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ref: buck cornelius the pittsburgh post did not consider this to be a title fight. There was no decision, but johnson was an easy winner. Johnson sent ross down for a count of nine in the first round. Ross went down again in the third for a count of eight. In the fourth round, ross landed his only telling blow of the fight, a vicious right hand that shook johnson. Johnson battered ross over the last two rounds.

1909-05-19

205

philadelphia jack o'brien

162½

144 11 23

national a.c., philadelphia

d-nws

6/6

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ref: jack mcguigan "three or four times during the mix-ups, o'brien was roughed to the floor, and once he got tangled in the ropes." (philadelphia inquirer). The philadelphia inquirer scored for johnson. Wilkes-barre times leader had o'brien winning three rounds, with two even, and 5th round to johnson (same report was printed in ny sun and washington herald). The ny times ruled it a draw. Trenton times reported that the referee stated he thought o'brien the winner by a shade. The sports editor of the philadelphia inquirer in may 23 issue wrote: "a half dozen writers, for instance, gave johnson the credit of having won the bout, but no two of them agreed as to the distance by which he won, and if you read all these accounts you must have come to the conclusion that he won at any distance from a whisker to a city block. And it was the same with the able gentlemen who espoused the o'brien cause. Some declared that he won all the way, and that but for his willingness to take the initiative there would have been no milling at all, while others gave him the decision solely for the splendid showing he made against such a tremendous physical handicap." the philadelphia item stated that o'brien soundly out-boxed johnson. All-in-all, it seems that the best choice would be to show it as a draw.

1908-12-26

194

tommy burns

yes, johnson was nothing but a journeyman !

[Dr Z]

That statement: "I don't know of any fighter who was better than me when I was in my prime. But there was one who really beat me... and he beat me good. I'm talking about Marvin Hart," is NOT in his autobiography.

What you posted does not appear to be an interview at all. It's a reprinted ARTICLE from 1963. Where does the quoted statement come from, because it is NOT in "In The Ring And Out."

You are not reading well. Johnson said little about the match in his autobiography. You likely do not own In and Out are even more unlikely to know what he specifically said.

Moreover this is just your knee jerk reaction. Somehow I doubt you own it, but you do have a rare chance to prove yourself. Take a photo the book, and list the pages in your smartphone and post them here. We shall see what Johnson said.


Step up to the plate.

[travestyny]

You are not reading well. Johnson said little about the match in his autobiography. You likely do not own In and Out are even more unlikely to know what he specifically said.

Moreover this is just your knee jerk reaction. Somehow I doubt you own it, but you do have a rare chance to prove yourself. Take a photo the book, and list the pages in your smartphone and post them here. We shall see what Johnson said.


Step up to the plate.

I do know what specifically he said in that book. Do YOU own it?

I know he didn't say that in the book. So where is the quotation from?



LMAO. I accept under the condition you come back and admit you're a lying moron who is wrong
He did say the ref pointed to the wrong man. But the other quotation....nowhere to be found. How about you taking a screenshot of it and posting it in that book

Step up to the plate.

[Bronson66]

All that angry blubbering and deflection…where is your source that Johnson struggled with Battling Jim as you claimed? You badgered me for 17 pages insisting on a source but you yourself haven’t produced one.

You claim there is a video interview out there of Smith saying he didn’t knock Johnson through the ropes. Where is this video?

No angry blubbering, I just asked you a couple of questions for the second time,about the names you claimed would all beat Johnson you haven't replied .so,if anyone is deflecting it is you.
I badgered you about your claim that Johnson was lucky to get a draw,asking you for your source for the remark?
You still haven't answered that either. I said Gunboat Smith gave a taped interview in his own home in1972 .I did NOT say it was video taped.Nor did I NOT say Johnson was not knocked partially through the ropes,what I took issue with was your spurious claim that he was dropped heavily,when he himself did not claim that.
Earlier you said I came home drunk Thursday night and posted here, I didn't, now you are saying , I said Smith's interview was video'd,I didn't.
Lack of reading comprehension?
Are you sure you aren't Matchmaker,DrZ,Mendoza ,Maginot, etc, doing a double act,because he is illiterate too?lol

[Dr Z]

I do know what specifically he said in that book. Do YOU own it?

I know he didn't say that in the book. So where is the quotation from?



LMAO. I accept under the condition you come back and admit you're a lying moron who is wrong
He did say the ref pointed to the wrong man. But the other quotation....nowhere to be found. How about you taking a screenshot of it and posting it in that book

Step up to the plate.

Very good. You showed me something. It is as I reported here.

[Bronson66]

I do know what specifically he said in that book. Do YOU own it?

I know he didn't say that in the book. So where is the quotation from?



LMAO. I accept under the condition you come back and admit you're a lying moron who is wrong
He did say the ref pointed to the wrong man. But the other quotation....nowhere to be found. How about you taking a screenshot of it and posting it in that book

Step up to the plate.

The referee for the Johnson v Hart contest Alex Greggains officiated in 124 contests,the vast majority of which were amateur,and 4 rounders at the Woodward's Pavilion and the San Francisco Gym, both venues in which he was either the promotor or had a financial interest in experienced as a third man in prof fights over extended distances he was not .

The premier,referee of the day.George Siler said of the fight, Greggains" gave a exceedingly strange verdict",Bob Fitzsimmons said ,"it looks like Hart got lucky".

[Bronson66]

Very good. You showed me something. It is as I reported here.

What was that? An Oops?

[travestyny]

Very good. You showed me something. It is as I reported here.

So where did that quotation come from, hmmm?
You admit it's not in that book, right?

[GhostofDempsey]

No angry blubbering, I just asked you a couple of questions for the second time,about the names you claimed would all beat Johnson you haven't replied .so,if anyone is deflecting it is you.
I badgered you about your claim that Johnson was lucky to get a draw,asking you for your source for the remark?
You still haven't answered that either. I said Gunboat Smith gave a taped interview in his own home in1972 .I did NOT say it was video taped.Nor did I NOT say Johnson was not knocked partially through the ropes,what I took issue with was your spurious claim that he was dropped heavily,when he himself did not claim that.
Earlier you said I came home drunk Thursday night and posted here, I didn't, now you are saying , I said Smith's interview was video'd,I didn't.
Lack of reading comprehension?
Are you sure you aren't Matchmaker,DrZ,Mendoza , etc, doing a double act,because he is illiterate too?lol

Lying again as usual. I already answered your questions but you’re either purposely running this in circles again or too senile to remember. McVey, Jeannette, Langford would all be 50/50 fihts and perhaps even favorited to beat Johnson while they were in their respective primes. If he had the balls to give them title shows we would have known.

You badgered me about my source for Johnson struggling with Battling Jim. Two quick examples but you have yet to provide that source, where is it?

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Ok, so where is the recorded interview of Smith declaring he partially knocked Johnson through the ropes. You keep squirming and dancing around my questions. Answer them directly and stop with the petty semantics. I posted his quote directly from Heller’s interview. Where is this recording you claim exists?

[Bronson66]

Lying again as usual. I already answered your questions but you’re either purposely running this in circles again or too senile to remember. McVey, Jeannette, Langford would all be 50/50 fihts and perhaps even favorited to beat Johnson while they were in their respective primes. If he had the balls to give them title shows we would have known.

You badgered me about my source for Johnson struggling with Battling Jim. Two quick examples but you have yet to provide that source, where is it?

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Ok, so where is the recorded interview of Smith declaring he partially knocked Johnson through the ropes. You keep squirming and dancing around my questions. Answer them directly and stop with the petty semantics. I posted his quote directly from Heller’s interview. Where is this recording you claim exists?

Are you actually this dumb?The recording is the taped interview with Heller! WTF!!

You did not say McVey, Langford and Jeannette would all be 50/50 fights,you said they would all beat Johnson!
Do I have to post your quotes ?

Will you answer my questions?

For the record I am neither drunk,raging,blubbering, or in a temper ,I don't know where you conjure up these scenarios from?

Probably from the same place you insist McVey was competitive with Johnson, and Johnson was lucky to get a draw with Battling Jim!

You, by your own admission spent,God knows how long trawling through posts I made 12 years ago in a forlorn effort to trip me up!

You are as fixated and obsessed as DR Z,but do not appear to know it!
Get some help quick!
Before you become as big a laughing stock as he is!