Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

Collapse
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post

    " I have never been better,I am now fitter than I have ever been to defend the title"Tommy Burns

    At 1681/2lbs Burns was just 1 1/ 2lbs lighter than he had been for his title defence against Jim Flynn, as I have already said , he had shed all surplus fat from his torso. The weights were from their public weigh in, the day before the fight.
    I just found a quotation saying pretty much the same thing!

    ‘As for variety in exercise, it is all around the place in every shape and form. The hills to run down and climb up, the artificial lake to row upon, the handball court, the everything imaginable – just have a look about and you’ll see how complete my opportunities are. Get fit? Bar accidents I’LL BE FITTER THAN EVER I WAS IN MY LIFE.’
    Bronson66 Bronson66 likes this.

    Comment


    • Originally posted by travestyny View Post

      Eh. I’ll try to look into it when I’m home. Currently on my flight back from Paris.
      Some of these guys probably appeared sick because they knew they were going to be in for quite a night against Johnson. I’m pretty sure there was talk of Jeffries going into a depression and looking pale because he knew he was about to take a beating.
      - - Did U swim the Seine Sewer?

      Jeffries was clearly not fit going into the JJohnson fight after dropping 100 lbs on a birdseed diet as John L recorded in his pick mailed to his NY publisher to be opened after the fight.

      Comment


      • [QUOTE=Dr Z;n32507945]
        Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post
        How was Jeffries sick? /QUOTE]



        Fitz who was present at the fight said Jeffreis wasn't a quarter of the man he fought. He was depressed ( that how he may be viewed as sick ) going into the fight, had not fought is 6 years, old, and fat. No one under these terms is going to win a high level fighter. If you disgree I give you all of boxing history. Show me one man who over came this and won.


        But this thread is about Jack Johnson and his best five wins.


        Who are they and do you think they rate with any famous heavyweight? Look at the ages, experience level's, and weight of his opponents. You will find he either beat very young or old men, very green heavyweights, and sub 170 pound men.


        I say his best five wins don't rate vs. other tenured heavyweight champions ( not one poster will debate this )and his losses to Choynski, Griffin, Hart and numerous draws / news draws he had were better fighters than the very green and young or light men Jack J's met for his best five victories.


        After all Choysnki, Griffin and Hart were seasoned guys, whereas Langford was young ( 20 ), and weighed in under 160 pounds and was new to heavyweight fights.

        Mcvey was even younger and very raw / inexperienced.


        Jeanette was 0-3 when he first fought Johnson! A new to the game yet he defeated Jack once and drew with another time. So listing him as one of Jack's top 5 wins is fine. Jeanette says he was in the 160's when he meet Jack J.


        Burns was sick as he weighed in at 168, today the super middleweight limit, and short 5'7 " ,but I think his record was good so he belongs in Jacks best 5 wins.

        At least that is what Travesty thinks about his best five wins.



        NO! This thread is about who beats a prime Johnson?

        It doesn't need a psychotic Johnson hater . hi******* it for his own warped gratification!

        Comment


        • If Jack Johnson gave Langford 'such a beating' why didn't Johnson grab the easy payday when Langford was offered to him in France?
          GhostofDempsey GhostofDempsey likes this.

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
            If Jack Johnson gave Langford 'such a beating' why didn't Johnson grab the easy payday when Langford was offered to him in France?
            Because they didn't offer him the $30,000 that he wanted for defending the title.
            Bronson66 Bronson66 likes this.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
              If Jack Johnson gave Langford 'such a beating' why didn't Johnson grab the easy payday when Langford was offered to him in France?
              He was offered a Langford fight on several occasions but always found a way out, even after his verbal agreements to fight him, which of course meant nothing. He even accepted $5,000 which was closer to $1,000 for the Battling Jim fight rather than $10K - $20K offers from Langford, Jeannette, McVey. In his own words, he was the first black champion and he'd be the only black champion.
              Willie Pep 229 Willie Pep 229 likes this.

              Comment


              • Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

                He was offered a Langford fight on several occasions but always found a way out, even after his verbal agreements to fight him, which of course meant nothing. He even accepted $5,000 which was closer to $1,000 for the Battling Jim fight rather than $10K - $20K offers from Langford, Jeannette, McVey. In his own words, he was the first black champion and he'd be the only black champion.
                …
                travestyny travestyny likes this.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by GhostofJuliusStreicher View Post

                  â¦
                  Yet you can't prove it...

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
                    If Jack Johnson gave Langford 'such a beating' why didn't Johnson grab the easy payday when Langford was offered to him in France?
                    Johnson floored Langford 3 times for long nine counts,broke his nose and cut his eye.

                    That's a pretty decisive beating imo.

                    "Johnson handed me the only real beating I ever took.! Sam Langford.
                    Johnson wanted $30,000 and only two promoters ever came up with the money.
                    McIntosh for Johnson to defend against both Langford and McVey in Australia, Johnson signed the contract

                    The McMahon Brothers for Johnson to defend against Jeannette in NY.Johnson signed the contract.

                    This is in Pollack's 2nd Vol on Johnson, "The Reign."
                    Last edited by Bronson66; Yesterday, 05:43 PM.
                    travestyny travestyny likes this.

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post
                      Johnson floored Langford 3 times for long nine counts,broke his nose and cut his eye.

                      That's a pretty decisive beating imo.

                      "Johnson handed me the only real beating I ever took.! Sam Langford.
                      Johnson wanted $30,000 and only two promoters ever came up with the money.
                      McIntosh for Johnson to defend against both Langford and McVey in Australia, Johnson signed the contract

                      The McMahon Brothers for Johnson to defend against Jeannette in NY.Johnson signed the contract.

                      This is in Pollack's 2nd Vol on Johnson, "The Reign."
                      Yeah I know about that.

                      My question was, if he was dominate and he knew the fight would be popular (in France) why not grab the easy Langford fight?

                      As the story stands right now, he beat the guy easy, a fight was offered for good money in France, he didn't want the fight.

                      Logicaly speaking one of the above must be wrong. You don't walk away from an easy payday.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X
                      TOP