Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[Dr Z]

Back to your question…which source says Johnson struggled with Battling Jim Johnson you ask?

Well, YOU for one Mr. McVey, I guess you forgot you too said in your own words he struggled with Battling Jim! And I quote “unlike Jack Johnson who struggled another 7 rounds to get a draw with his younger opponent” Oops! How will you squirm out of this one?

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[Bronson66]

Oops.

How long have you been allowed back? Leopard spots?
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[GhostofDempsey]

This is what YOU said.
"Should have lost to Battling Jim but was given a gift draw."

Nowhere did I ever agree with that, either on ESB or here.


My quote " Johnson struggled for another 7 rounds" Exactly right! He had a broken ****ing arm!

You've gone to another forum and trawled back through my posts to 2013,twelve ****ing years!
To find a quote from me that does NOT say
What YOU said which is the following.
" should have lost to Battling Jim ,but was given a gift draw!

It beggars belief!

Now tell us where you got the idea Johnson was "lucky",that he" got a gift draw ," from?

No, I'll tell you ,from that bigoted, cretinous,bile filled, tiny one cell in your head that passes for a brain!

Just how desperately ****** and sad are you? LOL

I was in a pub with friends last night listening to a great singer,having a wonderful evening,what were you doing ,trawling through a strangers 13 years old posts on another boxing site you don't even belong to?

Can't you see how abnormal,fixated, and obsessive your behaviour is?

Get yourself a life for God's sake!
This would actually be funny if it wasn't so pathetically sad!

You had a chance to have a decent debate with me and passed on it ,now grow yourself a pair, and try to have a life in which hatred of a man who has been dead for nearly 80 years does not dominate your every waking thought!

Hahaha, wow you’re so mad right now. I used your own words against you and now you’re flailing and deflecting and resorting to your usual childish insults. You said Johnson struggled with Jim, as did I, but you forgot your own words. You hounded me for a source and now you’re mad because I quoted you! Yes I found your 12 year old post and I have many more that expose your hypocrisy and double standards. Just like you dig up 100 year old news articles with no writer credits. Own your losses.

[GhostofDempsey]

Oops.

He’s raging right now, lol. I found so many posts he made where he is saying exactly what I said yet he forget he said it. He bashed me and nagged for a source and it turns out he said the same damn thing. Now he’s embarrassed but won’t admit he was wrong.

[Bronson66]

He’s raging right now, lol. I found so many posts he made where he is saying exactly what I said yet he forget he said it. He bashed me and nagged for a source and it turns out he said the same damn thing. Now he’s embarrassed but won’t admit he was wrong.

Nope I'm perfectly calm and nothing in the12 years old post of mine you posted contradicts anything I said.

You can post as many of my old posts as you like,Spend your day doing so, that's absolutely fine.
No you said Johnson was lucky to get a draw.That is a lie of your own invention.

What you will not do is post a primary source that states Johnson was lucky to get a draw with Johnson.

Nor one that says McVey was competitive with Johnson.
You and the cretin will make a great tag team .
You are both liars and both haters.Sad

[Dr Z]

He’s raging right now, lol. I found so many posts he made where he is saying exactly what I said yet he forget he said it. He bashed me and nagged for a source and it turns out he said the same damn thing. Now he’s embarrassed but won’t admit he was wrong.

You have got him by his um,urinary drainage bag. Please go easy on my very old curmudgeon friend. Or you can humiliate him further, but that bag might B()$# You get the picture.

Since he is reading this, tell me what you think Jack Johnson's best five wins are, taking in good consideration the age and fighting condition of opponents.

A boxing question.

[JAB5239]

Did Willams floor Ali and badly hurt him? Unless he did, there is no comparison.


Ali fought the best around as champ. Johnson did not. He was TKO'd / Ko'd by super middleweights, outboxed by others and floored by other super middles. In addition he had numerous losses to cruiser weight size men


Only a fool would compare the two, and you are no fool.

You've missed the point entirely. There are different stages of sparring and fight camp. For instance the week before my last fight i was getting hammered by guys the normally couldn't touch me. 6 weeks before that I was getting hammered by guys in better shape than me. Than right before the fight everything came together. The point is, you don't know what was going on in Johnsons camp, what point he was at or what shape he was in. It's sparring, that's it. To take it as more than that is egregious.

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32500553]
Nope I'm perfectly calm and nothing in the12 years old post of mine you posted contradicts anything I said.

You can post as many of my old posts as you like,Spend your day doing so, that's absolutely fine.
No you said Johnson was lucky to get a draw.That is a lie of your own invention.

What you will not do is post a primary source that states Johnson was lucky to get a draw with Johnson.

Nor one that says McVey was competitive with Johnson.
You and the cretin will make a great tag team .
You are both liars and both haters.Sad

Would you like to post why you think the following?

"From his era, a prime Langford, Jeannette, McVey, and possibly even Wills would be favored to win IMO. A prime Jeffries is far more competitive and makes it a 50/50 fight.

Across all eras he doesn’t fair very well. Dempsey, Tunney, Gibbons, Loughran, Sharkey, Louis, Schmeling, Marciano, Charles, Walcott, Patterson, Liston and so forth all beat him."

I can accept that some would favour Dempsey ,and Louis and some of the modern guys to beat Johnson,but what is your basis for saying Langford,McVey,Jeannette beat Johnson?

What results of theirs point to this?

[QueensburyRules]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32500565]

Nope I'm perfectly calm and nothing in the12 years old post of mine you posted contradicts anything I said.

You can post as many of my old posts as you like,Spend your day doing so, that's absolutely fine.
No you said Johnson was lucky to get a draw.That is a lie of your own invention.

What you will not do is post a primary source that states Johnson was lucky to get a draw with Johnson.

Nor one that says McVey was competitive with Johnson.
You and the cretin will make a great tag team .
You are both liars and both haters.Sad

Would you like to post why you think the following?

"From his era, a prime Langford, Jeannette, McVey, and possibly even Wills would be favored to win IMO. A prime Jeffries is far more competitive and makes it a 50/50 fight.

Across all eras he doesn’t fair very well. Dempsey, Tunney, Gibbons, Loughran, Sharkey, Louis, Schmeling, Marciano, Charles, Walcott, Patterson, Liston and so forth all beat him."

I can accept that some would favour Dempsey ,and Louis and some of the modern guys to beat Johnson,but what is your basis for saying Langford,McVey,Jeannette beat Johnson.

What results of theirs point to this?

- - Look, it's OK for you to snarf snails and sniff stinkers, but the fight ended a DRAW!

One ringside report said that the spectators loudly protested that the men were not fighting and demanded their money back. Jack Johnson said he injured his left arm in the third round and could not use it, but ringsiders said he used his left often and likely fractured it when both fell to the mat in the tenth round. Post-fight examination revealed a slight fracture of the radial in his left arm. In August it had been widely reported by Joe Woodman that Johnson had agreed to terms to fight Sam Langford in Paris. Weights per La Presse Tale of the Tape: 97kg Jack Johnson, 101kg Jim Johnson. New Haven union., December 24, 1913, stated that the French Boxing Federation had started an investigation of the fight, believing Johnson's nephew Gus Rhodes had passed himself of as Battling Jim Johnson.

And of course he still ducked Langford as everyone of that era knew. Fought dozens of noted black fighters multiple X, but Sam had his number and he knew it.

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;n32500598]

- - Look, it's OK for you to snarf snails and sniff stinkers, but the fight ended a DRAW!

One ringside report said that the spectators loudly protested that the men were not fighting and demanded their money back. Jack Johnson said he injured his left arm in the third round and could not use it, but ringsiders said he used his left often and likely fractured it when both fell to the mat in the tenth round. Post-fight examination revealed a slight fracture of the radial in his left arm. In August it had been widely reported by Joe Woodman that Johnson had agreed to terms to fight Sam Langford in Paris. Weights per La Presse Tale of the Tape: 97kg Jack Johnson, 101kg Jim Johnson. New Haven union., December 24, 1913, stated that the French Boxing Federation had started an investigation of the fight, believing Johnson's nephew Gus Rhodes had passed himself of as Battling Jim Johnson.

And of course he still ducked Langford as everyone of that era knew. Fought dozens of noted black fighters multiple X, but Sam had his number and he knew it.

Yes the fight was a draw what is your point about the result?

No, after the third round reporters who were ringside said Jack used his left sparingly.

There was no investigation into the Johnson v Johnson fight.Johnson signed to defend against both Langford and McVey in Sydney Australia,but when Johnson jumped bail the Promoter HD McIntosh pulled the fight under pressure from the Church and the general public.


More disinformation easily exposed for what it is.lol